just letting you know my experience, whenever I west to school, no one was ever even allowed on campus before 7 am and a lot of my teachers would leave right after school. Why is that so hard to believe. Just because you are a teacher that takes their job seriously does not mean all teachers do.
Dude. leaving (not equal to) stopping work. Grading papers, lesson planning, answering parent email ==> most of it happens at home, for most teachers. But it will be interesting to see you sign up, since it looks like easy money to you.
Not elementary school teachers. I'm with the kids all day, and have no off periods. I have to teach multiple subjects, prepare, gather materials(often at my own expense.) In fact in our teaching contracts we are required to spend a certain amount of hours each week in addition to the school day. It is required by contract. In addition to that the amount of pressure on the teacher is very present. If not for teachers the next generation won't be able to read, understand math, science, social studies, any of it. Especially in areas of poverty with English Language Learners. There is a huge amount of work and pressure that requires almost every lesson to have additional scaffolding in order to have the children understand the intended content of the lesson. You honestly have no idea what you are talking about regarding teachers.
I have keys and can get on campus pretty much anytime I need to. Students aren't allowed until 7:30. Yes some teachers don't put in the long hours so much. But there are plenty that do. We work hard, and it changes from year to year depending on the class. Different students have different needs to understand the same material.
Because American high school grads have other opportunities for success. Pro sports, entertainment, sales, business ownership, unionized jobs and trades, reasonably well-paid civil service jobs. They're also more likely to have a financial support structure of relatives and friends: how many Congolese take a "year off?" It also helps that well-off alumni seem to support their college more than their (public) K-12 schools; and corporations and governments don't give research grants to K-12.
I never said it was easy money, I said it was not drastically more difficult than other jobs. I said the hours were not any longer than many jobs. I said most jobs require a certain amount of work outside of the workplace, that is not unique to teachers.
Mine don't I would computer helpdesk . . when I leave. . I am gone. What is your profession? Do you work outside your workplace 'off the clock'? Are teachers being paid for 8 hrs a day. . or 10? Also . .. what was the era in which you went to school? Rocket River trying to see what is framing this point of view
You must have gone some of the worst schools ever. I went to a run of the mill public high school and 95% of the teachers would be there early (i.e. an hour before school starts) for tutorials, and ALL were there at the very least 30 minutes after we got out. This doesn't count for the large amount of teachers who were involved in after school activities. I interned at a very good engineering firm. Most people did not do work after they left the office. You honestly just sound like a kid who hated school growing up.
I was under the impression you were a high school teacher for some reason. I would agree that elementary school is much more challenging to teach than high school or even junior high would be. What I was saying would definitely apply more to high school than elementary school. High school teachers have far more periods off, longer lunch breaks, scantron tests, etc. Elementary school would probably require more time and effort, plus you have to deal with younger kids. I didn't say all jobs, I said that teaching was not the only job that required off the clock work. I'm still in college btw.
All this banter is very interesting. I have an 11 year old son and two teen aged daughters. I have chosen to allow them to attend the public education camps. I subsequently and actively debrief them. Its amazing how the mind of a child can sort out truth from lies even when those lies have been told to him over and over. …if they get to hear it. Do not fear the public schools. There is a reason they can't win. The truth shall set you free and you shall then be free indeed. The truth is a rampant infection once it is let loose. Use the public schools are a tool. I use them to get the information then I converse with my children about the truth. I continually infect them with the knowledge of truth. I also tell my children that people in public schools are often ignorant of the truth. Once you warn a child that people like to lie to them, they start questioning everything. I've come to realize that you can let your kids go to public schools and you can fight back. Home schoolers! You do a wonderful job, however, your kids don't know how to handle the lies. Be sure and teach them the truth about how our government and our system lie to them to control them. Truth is the enemy of evil and truth always wins in the end. One of the tenants of his martial art is: Loyalty to One's Country. His martial arts instructor makes sure to differentiate that there is a difference between having loyalty to one's country and loyalty to one's government. In fact, often times to be loyal to one's country, one must also be disloyal to one's government. Is it no wonder the defender's of our own constitution are warned to protect that constitution from enemies both “foreign” and “domestic”. It is obvious to many, including many within our military, governmental, and martial communities that we now have “domestic” enemies to our constitution. Nationwide, the people are uniting. It’s not just the education system that needs fixing. Parents need to be the center of a child’s moral and educational upbringing….pry yourself from your self-absorbed, material-obsessed ideologies, and I know it will have a profound affect on your child’s well-being… Teach your children well; for they ARE the future of the United States of America and by allowing ONLY the public to educate them, you are doing the future of our society a great dis-justice. To educate them well, especially while they are young, you are preserving OUR legacy of FREEDOM for all. <embed id=VideoPlayback src=http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-3197707524036023590&hl=en&fs=true style=width:400px;height:326px allowFullScreen=true allowScriptAccess=always type=application/x-shockwave-flash> </embed> John Taylor Gatto - Classrooms of the Heart 1991
Well, where I come from we did spend a lot more time in school than kids here do, and our vacations weren't nearly as long. We actually had to study hard to make good grades. Subsequently I arrived in the US and basically slept through my freshman year in college ... everything was too easy. It hurt me later on though -- I became rather lazy and started to see my grades plummet late in the sophomore year.
Thank you. Honestly, some of you on this board are confusing student schedules with teacher schedules. Just because school ends at 3pm doesn't mean your day ends at 3pm. Your day is over when the job is done, and that can run well into the night. And I love how people slam teaching as a profession, calling it easy and lamenting the "3 months off", but when teachers speak up, they're being "victims".
Just another way for the guberment to control kids' lives by taking them away from their parents for even longer. Our public school system is a sham already, no need to compound the problem. Now, if they wanted to keep the kids there for 8-9 months with intermittent 2 week breaks here and there, that would actually make more sense since kids would retain more info. BTW lol at Obama comparing his kids to the average peasant's, when the tuition at his daughters' school is $29,000 a year.
Yup. It seems 'they' are more interested in churning out non-individuals well trained in bowing down to authority rather than thinking for themselves. Will work out great for our police state since there will be a ton of military and government jobs available when the next couple generations are dumb as a post and dead broke from our recent financial and foreign policy decisions.
Outside of a few Ivy League schools that pay huge salaries to top researchers, what college level teachers are making huge money? I've looked online at the salaries of some faculty at the state universities in Arizona, and most of them are making around $50-70k, even when they are tenured. That's a decent salary, but that's not huge money, especially when you take into account that they have more education than most teachers and bring in money from their research.
My wife is a teacher, and she's very good at it. She doesn't work nearly this much. She gets to work at 7:30 in the morning and leaves at 4pm on a typical day. Averaged over the week, she probably has about one extra hour of work per day that she does at home. So that's a 9.5 hour work day. But she does get a lot of time off. She had a nine week summer break. She didn't have to go in at all during this break. She shows up a couple of days before the kids and stays a couple of days after they leave. She gets more than a week off for Christmas, a week off in February, and a week for spring break. That's more than 12 weeks off during the year. I certainly think that she is fairly compensated, although I wouldn't complain if she got a big raise.
I'm not calling teachers victims but how is it different than any other job other than they get way more time off than everyone else?
