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WaPo: Obama's narcissim

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  1. basso

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    This is an important essay in the WaPo, once that gets at the root of what many of us have been saying about Obama for sometime. It's not just his rejection of the idea of American Exceptionalism, but the fact that he seems to think that only he can transcend america's flaws. this was apparent from the beginning, before he even ran, in the famous meeting with Axelrod, when Michelle asked him what he had to offer the country, and he replied "they will look at us differently when they see my face."

    obama's supreme narcissim ignores, or discredits, the efforts of everyday americans, from all walks of life, to overcome injustice and inequality, and it is this constant striving that creates the very exceptionalism of which Obama is the result, not the beginning.

    [rquoter]All About Obama

    I’ve refrained from commenting on President Obama’s address to the United Nations General Assembly because the speech made me angry. And most postings -- or letters, or e-mails -- written while angry are better discarded or deleted.

    But this address grows more disturbing on further reading. Some major presidential speeches deserve to be remembered, quoted and celebrated. Some deserve to be forgotten. A few deserve to be remembered and criticized, because they dishonor the history of presidential rhetoric.

    Obama’s rhetorical method in international contexts -- given supreme expression at the United Nations this week -- is a moral dialectic. The thesis: pre-Obama America is a nation of many flaws and failures. The antithesis: The world responds with understandable but misguided prejudice. The synthesis: Me. Me, at all costs; me, in spite of all terrors; me, however long and hard the road may be. How great a world we all should see, if only all were more like…me.
    On several occasions, Obama attacked American conduct in simplistic caricatures a European diplomat might employ or applaud. He accused America of acing “unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others” -- a slander against every American ally who has made sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan. He argued that, “America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy” -- which is hardly a challenge for the Obama administration, which has yet to make a priority of promoting democracy or human rights anywhere in the world.

    The world, of course, has its problems, too. It has accepted “misperceptions and misinformation.” It can be guilty of a “reflexive anti-Americanism.” “Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone.” Translation: I know you adore me because I am better than America’s flawed past. But don’t just stand there loving me, do something.

    I can recall no other major American speech in which the narcissism of a leader has been quite so pronounced. It might be compared to Gen. Douglas MacArthur’s “I shall return” -- which made it sound like MacArthur intended to reconquer the Philippines single-handedly. But MacArthur, at least, imagined himself as embodying his country, not transcending it. He did not assert that while the Japanese invasion was certainly excessive, America had been guilty of provocations of its own -- and now, in the MacArthur era, things would be finally different.

    Twice in his United Nations speech, Obama dares to quote Franklin Roosevelt. I have read quite a bit of Roosevelt’s rhetoric. It is impossible to imagine him, under any circumstances, unfairly criticizing his own country in an international forum in order to make himself look better in comparison. He would have considered such a rhetorical strategy shameful -- as indeed it is.

    At the United Nations, Obama set out to denigrate American goodness so he can become our rescuer. The speech had nothing to do with the confident style of Democratic rhetoric found in Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy. It insulted that tradition. And no one is likely ever to quote the speech -- except to deride it. [/rquoter]
     
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    And the rest amounts to an angry man who doesn't like Obama's foreign policy agenda resorting to ad hominem attack ("narcissist") rather than responding to the substance.

    He should have taken his own advice and discarded this one.
     
  5. A_3PO

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    According to right-wing kooks, the Washington Post is controlled by the left and you can't believe anything it says. Therefore we should dismiss this article completely. It's interesting a kook is posting an article.

    Because of Bush's catastrophic disaster of a presidency, Obama must constantly emphasize to the world he is making a break and bringing "change" to how the United States will conduct foreign policy. Nothing wrong with that. It won't be the last time.
     
  6. durvasa

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    I love how rejecting "American Exceptionalism" makes the president a narcissist.

    This guy doesn't believe we should engage the world as if we're superior to them. What, so he thinks he has a better idea? Narcissist!
     
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    Obama's narcissism has been plain for anybody to see since he's been in the national public's eye. Only the lefty dreamers who hope he's their messiah are the ones who cannot see this plainly.
     
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    Awesome. George W. Bush's speech writer and policy advisor and the man who coined the phrase "Axis of Evil" doesn't like Obama. That really turns my world upside down. :rolleyes:

    When the people who time after time demonstrated their mastery of failure for 8 years take issue with your job performance, it probably indicates you are doing a pretty good job.

    Maybe next you can find an article from G. Gordon Liddy criticizing Obama for not breaking into the Watergate enough.
     
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  9. durvasa

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    If by "narcissist" you mean "popular political leader who's calling for change I'm not too happy with", then yes he's a narcissist.

    It's just yet another poop-flinging label that adds nothing useful to the debate.
     
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    what's remarkable here is less the author, and more the venue- the WaPo would never have published such a critique a few months ago.
     
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    Oh, you're back again. How nice...

    There is a huge difference between narcissism and confidence. The former president was neither confident nor competent.

    Next time, You should bold , highlight it and put brackets around "important essay" too. That way, you can agree with delusional views even more.
     
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    And exactly how do you know that, Mr. Mind-Reader?
     
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    How do you know this to be true? The author has been on their staff for a while, and he's written pieces critical of the current administration's policies. Not hard to look up:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2007/05/30/LI2007053001159.html

    Do you happen to know that he wrote this particular critique (more of an insult than a critique) a few months ago, and the Post refused to publish it?
     
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    Opinion piece by Dubya's speech writer..... yeah I'm not impressed.
     
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    It usually only takes one post like this to make basso vanish from his own off target threads. Sometimes though he'll come back and just ignore the post.
     
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    Notice how in basso's post he leaves the author's name out. He omits the by-line.
     
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    Let's find more ways to say "uppity", shall we?

    Oops, I mean...
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    From Gerson's Washington Post biography...

     
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    The thread title should be changed to basso's masochism.
     

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