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The reality of Mcgrady being back.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    I think Tracy and Ariza is a more effective combo than Tracy and Ron.
     
  2. Artesticles

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    Disagree. We effectively "traded" Ron for Ariza because he's younger and a better player. Better on defense, more athletic, will help our transition game, and isn't a chucker. I don't think the Ariza acquisition had anything to do with whether or not Morey knew T-Mac was coming back early. It was a move that made the team better on both sides of the floor.
     
  3. dragonz

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    so the the whole assumption is based on that we didn't try to resign Ron?

    Pass.
     
  4. jump shooter

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    Good post.
     
  5. Rocket 914

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    T-mac can be an Adelman type of a player because of his passing ability - similar to Webber or Divac who found cutters and shooters. I know he plays a different position but T-mac can be that guy with this vision, ability and height - allowing him to find cutters such as Scola, Landry, Ariza, Brooks and guys who can move well without the ball
     
  6. T-macsterful1

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    let's not forget that people get on t-mac for not attacking the basket but remember when you got a 7'6 center in there clogging everything up it is hard to find angles sometimes to get an effective shot off. I feel like t-mac can be more motion orientated in his offense with yao gone now just like in the 22 game winning streak. I believe he really only settled for jumpers because it was more efficient than trying to drive past 5-6 players 1 of which is a 7'6 center who probably can't clear the lane quick enough. Watch teh video of t-mac smoking his head off Yao's knee for reference.

    So will see a t-mac who can be more affective with what he does on the court this year I think, simply because he'll get more touches and yao's not around.
     
  7. RMGEEGEE

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    What?
     
  8. BizzleRocket

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    I don't think so, I believe last season he was complaining saying he doesn't get enough touches, It was after the Thunder or Raptors game or something like that, I couldn't find the video on YouTube, but he was talking about how he's more like a point-forward than a scorer.

    So No, T-Mac is far from an Adelman player, You also have to run and gun a bit in the Adelman offense and T-Mac is too lazy to waste his energy running.
     
  9. leebigez

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    Care to make a tip jar wager? I will bet a tip jar pledge, you name it that mcgrady will be resigned. Not saying i agree, i'm just saying.
     
  10. caneks

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    Will Ariza be considered as another mediocre teammate?
     
  11. MoJoV3

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    Well, I guess Tracy now has another chance to turn a player into an "all-star" (Swift)...

    I just have one question...If, or since Tim Grover is this good, why don't more players hire him? Why isn't there a waiting list? (two questions).

    If I'm a prospect bout to make it to the NBA...soon as I get my first check, I'm hiring Tim Grover...Does he pick and choose who he wants to train?
     
  12. t_mac1

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    you are that confident eh? ;)
     
  13. amaru

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    Tracy McGrady is a very popular topic in this forum.

    Alot of people who say that they don't like him.....sure do spend alot of energy discussing his every movements.

    Well.......further proof of my theory.
     
  14. napalm06

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    First of all, why is this directed at me?

    Second of all, no...?
     
  15. napalm06

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    You were maybe being sarcastic, but with clientele like O'Neal, McGrady, and others, I'd imagine he is making enough money to pick and choose; there probably is a waiting list.
     
  16. t_mac1

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    the only mediocre teammates were head, bobby jackson, and rafer.

    unless ariza ends up shooting around 35%, then no.
     
  17. BizzleRocket

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    Every teammate of Tracy McGrady will be considered mediocre by his apologists, even Yao is probably considered mediocre to them.
     
  18. napalm06

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    What is the point of this statement? You just put words in the mouths of a lot of people and probably mislabeled a good portion of them in the firstplace as "apologists".

    Do you feel vindicated now, or what?
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    A motion, read-and-react offense requires more than just being a distributor. Passing skills are important but that's not everything. Tracy is an outstanding passer with elite court vision.

    What he is not is a willing cutter and mover off the ball.

    What he is not is somebody who is willing to keep the ball moving and play off the ball, instead preferring to hold the ball for extended periods, stunting the flow of an offense.

    Even if he makes a Jesus-like comeback, I don't see him constantly moving off the ball for 35 mpg for 82 games. A healthy McGrady means we need to run a more stagnant offense with him holding the ball and creating in his own way.

    Since I don't see even a perfectly healthy McGrady leading this group all the way, I'd rather implement more of an Adelman type offense this season and improve our draft position.
     
  20. BrooksBall

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    I'll agree with this. Scola and Landry are relatively mobile bigs so they could potentially compensate for McGrady's stagnant style of play.

    McGrady in the post is something I've always liked, conceptually.

    McGrady bringing the ball up and grinding the offense to a halt is something I never liked, esp. since he is not much of a threat to drive to the basket anymore like he was in his heyday. This would be especially true this season with no Yao. We'll need to be more uptempo and looking for easy baskets. McGrady walking the ball up the court won't be conducive to that end.

    If McGrady becomes a post up option and does less ballstopping while allowing others to get more involved in the offense, Adelman just may be able to implement more of his style of play while taking advantage of McGrady's abilities.
     

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