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[ESPN]T-Mac's back thanks to Chicago gym

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by the_hustler, Sep 17, 2009.

  1. Dave_78

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    Thank you. He came in out of shape in what was supposed to be the most successful year of his career. Don't give me the "it was his knee" BS. Every other player in the league stays in shape despite being injured.

    How many times has Yao come into camp out of shape despite being almost permanently injured. What about Amare? Dude has serious microfracture and came back leaner and lighter than before. If you think the only way to keep your weight down is by running then you need to take a diet/nutrition course ASAP or stop posting about it.
     
  2. TheGreat

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    No offense, but it seems like it would be pretty hard to stay in shape after knee surgery AND shoulder surgery.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    so one year, and yet most of your posts you paint a picture of a lazy bum for most of his career?
     
  4. thainfamouspie

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    Agreed, I'm pretty sure during a 4 month span, people lose their physical tone, form, and confidence after their first serious surgery. In his case, surgeries. Yes, maybe even put on weight. If you remember how upset most fans were because Tracy was telling the TRUTH that he was only 60-70% ready at Media Day. "Ooooohhh he shouldn't have said that, it killed the buzz, etc etc." He's not the smartest guy when it comes to speech, but apparently he can't do anything right even when being honest lol.

    Speaking of honesty, hmmm, can't dunk off of his left leg since '02, he saaayyyssss??

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/DWMSBtW6AXY&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/DWMSBtW6AXY&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    And I can remember at least 20 other times he's done it as well, and fantastically so lol.
     
  5. woket

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    Good read.

    I would've thought building up core strength is common knowledge for all athletes these days ... and really shouldn't have taken this long to "get it".

    Anyway, good to hear that the Rox may still have some ammunition up their sleeves that can be used.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    the same reputation that garnett disposed of easily once he won a ring (in a playoff run that wasn't even his best) - you do remember KG was called SOFT, unclutch, WEAK-MINDED... and all those things right?

    the same reputation that peyton manning threw away once he won a ring (in a playoff run that also wasn't his best) - you do remember he was called a LOSER, can't win the big one, can't get over the hump, nervous in big moments, CHOKER...

    yes, reputations, tell me about them.
     
  7. orbb

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    Give it a f'cking rest already.
     
  8. RV6

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    Yao's got a great trainer of his own....Hall was just a very average cookie-cutter trainer....grover is one of the best, if not the best, but there's others right up there as well, like Yao's trainer (falsone)...I dont think yao has any issue with muscle balance, he's got great mechanics with every thing he does and is pretty fluid for a guy 7'6, you can be that way with an unabalanced body.
     
  9. RV6

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    No offense, but i dont think you know a lot about fitness and working out. the only hype i saw was Tmac giving Hall his props throughout the whole interview. Most, if not all, people who work in fitness and/or majored in that area can see this makes a lot of sense.

    As for tmac "being better"..remember tmac isn't old. The examples you gave were of guys who were in their mid 30s or so. Tmac is about Kobe's age, not saying he's gonna be like kobe, but what i am saying is a player that age who's physically gifted can still play like when he was younger. You wont start to see a dip until a few years later. Tmac was seeing a dip, not because of his age, but because of his lack or range of motion in his body. THAT is fixable, its not just hype. He's not turning back the clock, it was minutes behind and he's setting it tot he correct time now.
     
  10. RV6

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    he's still putting some stress on his shoulders, even if he's using momentum.... and that's not even the proper way to use momentum
     
  11. RV6

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    He's not the only one who stops playing ball....others stop as well, and it looks like he's talking about playing games, pick up or organized, not that he never picks up a basketball. I dont think he's wrong in saying individual work would benefit him more, that's what most top players do. The ones who play a lot of summer ball just like to compete and play. We all know bball isn't tmac's love, so i can't hate on him for not wanting to play games during the summer as well as long as he's putting some kind of work in. Unfortunately it wasnt the right work prior to this summer.
     
  12. RV6

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    The waco doc only provide a one time treatment...well he may have gone a second or third time, but my point is it wasn't consistent enough to correct anything long term. more than likely all he was doing was relaxing the muscles that were too tight, which may have lasted a few weeks at most, but then he'd eventually re-tighten them by going back to his old flawed mechanics. So he'd then go back tot he doc, only to start the cycle again. This time around Grover is not just relaxing the tight muscles, but strengthening the ones that were too loose (since in an imbalance you have tight vs loose muscles), then once both have similar tension, he 's working them all together to keep them on the same page. His therapist mentioned in the interview he's giving him exercises to do during the season, so that should keep him from falling back into his old mechanics.
     
  13. RV6

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    the problem is many trainers believe strengthening the core is just about crunches and abs, so perhaps wayne hall believed he was training tmac's core this way and tmac therefore thought so as well. Just because you can crunch a lot fo weight or do a lot of crunches doesn't mean your core is strong. Tmac is learning that now.
     
  14. JoeBarelyCares

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    TMac and Tim Grover are mentioned in this article where Gilbert Arenas gives Grover credit for saving his career:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4480321

    Updated: September 17, 2009, 10:10 AM ET
    Arenas says he's ready to go

    Gilbert Arenas says he's back to his explosive self but is wondering if it's the Wizards' fault that it has taken him so long to get back to normal.

    Arenas, who worked with trainer Tim Grover in Chicago this summer, told The Washington Times that his injuries are in the past.

    "Nobody could guard me before, and can't nobody guard me now," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I hadn't come up here, I'd be starting off the season with a 95 percent chance that I'd be sitting out more games. ... [Tim Grover] saved my career."

    Coming off three knee surgeries in 1½ years, Arenas played in only two games last season.

    Grover painted a grim picture of Arenas' health when the Washington Wizards guard arrived at his training complex in Chicago this July.

    "A lot of things weren't firing -- his glutes, his hips, thighs," Grover told the newspaper. "I wouldn't say his condition was the most severe, I wouldn't say it was the best. ... But if I were to classify it on a scale of one to 10 with 10 being the most extreme, I'd say he was definitely in the seven, eight category."

    Grover has several high-profile NBA clients, including Dwyane Wade, O.J. Mayo and Tracy McGrady. Arenas has resisted overtures to work with Grover in the past, but finally decided to give it a try this year.

    While Arenas praised Grover for saving his career, he blamed the Wizards for giving him too much control over his failed comebacks from surgery the past two seasons.

    "If you have a kid that loves basketball, that eats, sleeps, drinks and thinks basketball and all he knows is basketball and he gets hurt and he's your franchise player, you need to hold him back from himself," Arenas told the newspaper. "If I'm saying I feel good and you know it's supposed to take six months, instead of letting me at four months run ... they should have held me back. Rather than saying, 'Let's let this guy do what he wants and use him to sell tickets' -- sometimes you have to protect players from themselves. I don't feel like I got that type of protection. But, I don't judge them for that. Some things just happen. I told them I felt OK because I wanted to play, and they did what they did."

    Arenas has worked hard this summer to try to get back on the court.

    "It was a pretty extensive process," Grover told the newspaper. "We had to get his range of motion back in the leg, did a lot of acupuncture, a lot of work. We put a game plan together and attacked it from as many angles as we could. Gil would work with four or five individuals from my staff each day. ... It was, 'OK, Gil, you're going to be spending a good six to seven hours a day in here and a lot of treatment, and it's all pieces of the puzzle to putting you back together to being the player you were before -- and better.' "

    Arenas averaged 27.7 points per game from 2004 until 2007, becoming one of the NBA's most dynamic players. But he has played just 15 games the past two seasons because of his injuries.

    Arenas said his goal isn't to be an All-Star player this season. Instead, he has loftier goals.

    "All-Star's not my goal. I never wanted to be an All-Star. All-Star is the 24 hottest players at that time. All-League? That's my goal," Arenas told the newspaper. "All-Leag
     
  15. leebigez

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    RVS, falsone isn't worth a wooden nickel. Yao has poor rrunning technique and his core is weak just like tracy. That's why he gets tired and loses the little lift he has as the game progresses.

    DaneB, none of the top players play pickup. You don't get better at that level just running and playing. How many pro am have you seen kobe or lebron in? You get better by training and doing situational play which occurs throughout the game. If I can dig up some of the workout those guys do, I will post them on youtube or something. Kobe and guy like that don't shoot 500 ft's or 1000 jumpers. Its about simulating coming off screens, running full court and pulling up and stuff like that.People would be surpised the kind of work those guys go through.
     
  16. HowsMyDriving

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    tmac's reputation as a lazy, undisciplined, selfish player actually paints him in a better light than he deserves. he's a much more dysfunctional teammate than that. theres a reason that by the end of last year, literally nobody wanted him around. not even on the bench in street clothes.

    if the conversation about tracy started and ended only with his laziness and injury history, it would be so much better.

    he's an athlete, but he's never been a professional one.
     
  17. HowsMyDriving

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    i think thats harsh. i've met anthony and he's quite competent. don't underestimate the unique challenge that training an athlete like Yao presents.
     
  18. mjharleem22

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    SO WRONG!! By your theory, t-mac just came to chicago greeted tim grover at the door and said " here is my list of exercises that i am going to do while you push me to my limit"

    uh no. t-mac has even stated himself he has never done some of the things tim grover has shown him or his pt trainer dave.
     
  19. kenwonobi

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    Its all about preperation. Tmac didnt have the right handlers before on the back issue then found the right guy. Then in his first rehab he did that wrong too. Now he has the right guy again and I fully believe he is on the right path if he has the right training regiment. its all about the regiment and preparation. that is basucally why I have gotten on him in the past to get the right people or make the right decisions. He has now I can congratulate him for doing the right things. I will cheer when he dunks his first basket and swishes his first three in the comeback. :)
     
  20. mjharleem22

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    exactly, ten days, nothing changes in ten days, and t-mac never said he was 100% he just said he was stronger, and that he had gained his confidence back
     

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