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Drinking Age of 21 Does Not Work

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  1. dandorotik

    dandorotik Member

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    I think he makes some good points- have it out in the open- lower it to 18!

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/16/mccardell.lower.drinking.age/index.html

    (CNN) -- One year ago, a group of college and university presidents and chancellors, eventually totaling 135, issued a statement that garnered national attention.

    The "Amethyst Initiative" put a debate proposition before the public -- "Resolved: That the 21-year-old drinking age is not working." It offered, in much the way a grand jury performs its duties, sufficient evidence for putting the proposition to the test. It invited informed and dispassionate public debate and committed the signatory institutions to encouraging that debate. And it called on elected officials not to continue assuming that, after 25 years, the status quo could not be challenged, even improved.

    One year later, the drinking age debate continues, and new research reinforces the presidential impulse. Just this summer a study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry revealed that, among college-age males, binge drinking is unchanged from its levels of 1979; that among non-college women it has increased by 20 percent; and that among college women it has increased by 40 percent.

    Remarkably, the counterintuitive conclusion drawn by the investigators, and accepted uncritically by the media, including editorials in The New York Times and The Washington Post is that the study proves that raising the drinking age to 21 has been a success.

    More recently, a study of binge drinking published in the Journal of the American Medical Association announced that "despite efforts at prevention, the prevalence of binge drinking among college students is continuing to rise, and so are the harms associated with it."

    Worse still, a related study has shown that habits formed at 18 die hard: "For each year studied, a greater percentage of 21 to 24 year-olds [those who were of course once 18, 19, and 20] engaged in binge drinking and driving under the influence of alcohol."

    Yet, in the face of mounting evidence that those young adults age 18 to 20 toward whom the drinking age law has been directed are routinely -- indeed in life- and health-threatening ways -- violating it, there remains a belief in the land that a minimum drinking age of 21 has been a "success." And elected officials are periodically reminded of a provision in the 1984 law that continues to stifle any serious public debate in our country's state legislative chambers: Any state that sets its drinking age lower than 21 forfeits 10 percent of its annual federal highway appropriation.

    But it's not 1984 anymore.

    This statement may seem obvious, but not necessarily. In 1984 Congress passed and the president signed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act. The Act, which raised the drinking age to 21 under threat of highway fund withholding, sought to address the problem of drunken driving fatalities. And indeed, that problem was serious.

    States that lowered their ages during the 1970s and did nothing else to prepare young adults to make responsible decisions about alcohol witnessed an alarming increase in alcohol-related traffic fatalities. It was as though the driving age were lowered but no drivers education were provided. The results were predictable.

    Now, 25 years later, we are in a much different, and better, place. Thanks to the effective public advocacy of organizations like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, we are far more aware of the risks of drinking and driving. Automobiles are much safer.

    Seatbelts and airbags are mandatory. The "designated driver" is now a part of our vocabulary. And more and more states are mandating ignition interlocks for first-time DUI offenders, perhaps the most effective way to get drunken drivers off the road.

    And the statistics are encouraging. Alcohol-related fatalities have declined over the last 25 years. Better still, they have declined in all age groups, though the greatest number of deaths occurs at age 21, followed by 22 and 23. We are well on the way to solving a problem that vexed us 25 years ago.

    The problem today is different. The problem today is reckless, goal-oriented alcohol consumption that all too often takes place in clandestine locations, where enforcement has proven frustratingly difficult. Alcohol consumption among young adults is not taking place in public places or public view or in the presence of other adults who might help model responsible behavior. But we know it is taking place.

    If not in public, then where? The college presidents who signed the Amethyst Initiative know where. It happens in "pre-gaming" sessions in locked dorm rooms where students take multiple shots of hard alcohol in rapid succession, before going to a social event where alcohol is not served. It happens in off-campus apartments beyond college boundaries and thus beyond the presidents' authority; and it happens in remote fields to which young adults must drive.

    And the Amethyst presidents know the deadly result: Of the 5,000 lives lost to alcohol each year by those under 21, more than 60 percent are lost OFF the roadways, according to the National Institute of Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse.

    The principal problem of 2009 is not drunken driving. The principal problem of 2009 is clandestine binge drinking.

    That is why the Amethyst presidents believe a public debate is so urgent. The law does not say drink responsibly or drink in moderation. It says don't drink. To those affected by it, those who in the eyes of the law are, in every other respect legal adults, it is Prohibition. And it is incomprehensible.

    The principal impediment to public debate is the 10 percent highway penalty. That penalty should be waived for those states that choose to try something different, which may turn out to be something better. But merely adjusting the age -- up or down -- is not really the way to make a change.

    We should prepare young adults to make responsible decisions about alcohol in the same way we prepare them to operate a motor vehicle: by first educating and then licensing, and permitting them to exercise the full privileges of adulthood so long as they demonstrate their ability to observe the law.

    Licensing would work like drivers education -- it would involve a permit, perhaps graduated, allowing the holder the privilege of purchasing, possessing and consuming alcohol, as each state determined, so long as the holder had passed an alcohol education course and observed the alcohol laws of the issuing state.

    Most of the rest of the world has come out in a different place on the drinking age. The United States is one of only four countries -- the others are Indonesia, Mongolia and Palau -- with an age as high as 21. All others either have no minimum age or have a lower age, generally 18, with some at 16.

    Young adults know that. And, in their heart of hearts, they also know that a law perceived as unjust, a law routinely violated, can over time breed disrespect for law in general.

    Slowly but surely we may be seeing a change in attitude. This summer, Dr. Morris Chafetz, a distinguished psychiatrist, a member of the presidential commission that recommended raising the drinking age, and the founder of the National Institute for Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse admitted that supporting the higher drinking age is "the most regrettable decision of my entire professional career." This remarkable statement did not receive the attention it merited.

    Alcohol is a reality in the lives of young adults. We can either try to change the reality -- which has been our principal focus since 1984, by imposing Prohibition on young adults 18 to 20 -- or we can create the safest possible environment for the reality.

    A drinking age minimum of 21 has not changed the reality. It's time to try something different.

    It's not 1984 anymore.
     
  2. rhadamanthus

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    Totally agree. What a stupid limit.
     
  3. Air Langhi

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    I don't think MADD cares.
     
  4. Nice Rollin

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    if it can stop one person under 21 from buying liquor on a friday night, hopping in his car, and killing me, then the age limit works.

    lets face it, teens have trouble driving sober, especially girls. high schoolers are stupid.
     
  5. A_3PO

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    I say keep it at 21. Lowering the limit to 18 would not only affect people between 18-21, it would affect teenagers 16 & 17 years-old because they would become the new borderline.

    If the United States would put serious teeth into drunk-driving laws and snatch the drivers licenses of people who are caught driving drunk, I might be okay with lowering the legal limit. As things stand now, there just isn't enough fear (of legal consequences) in our society of driving drunk. If/when that changes, then let's talk about lowering the legal limit.

    Nice Rollin, well said.
     
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  6. RocketRaccoon

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    If I can take a bullet for you, you can buy me a drink.

    If you can convict me as an adult, you can buy me a drink.

    (just saying)
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Did you read the article? It does not accomplish that.
     
  8. bejezuz

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    Man, it's hard enough going to a bar now and having a good time. Imagine if the bar was filled with high school seniors and junior college kids. No thanks.

    The drinking age is something you care about immensely, until you reach it.
     
  9. Nice Rollin

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    sure it does. it WILL stop at least a group of high school kids from getting liquored up and driving under the influence this weekend...

    at times i was an idiot in high school, and there were always those days where we werent able to get booze, and didnt have anyone to get it for us, etc.
    Not every kid out there has a fake ID.
     
  10. Nice Rollin

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    that would suck...
     
  11. rhadamanthus

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    You appear to be BBS proof of this statement.
     
  12. Nice Rollin

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    Yes, but does it occasionally stop people from underage drinking? yes.

    a 16 year old can get booze right now, but it's still difficult for him to get....and i'd rather them have to go out of their way to get it.


    13 year olds are having sex. some having babies these days....maybe we should lower the legal age to 15 too?
     
  13. DonkeyMagic

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    no thanks. I'm not particularly optimistic about the maturity of todays late teenagers.
     
  14. dylan

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    It absolutely will, no question about that. It will also lead to at least a group of 23-year old kids to getting liquored up and driving under the influence this weekend. (possibly killing you).
     
  15. rhadamanthus

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    Occasionally != statisitcally relevant. Sure, it may stop Johnny down the street one night, but as a whole it is ineffective.

    To put it more blunty, it has not impacted johnny's ability to get loaded one bit - he is just as likely to get drunk now as before the 21 yr age limit was introduced.
     
  16. thegary

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    the legal drinking age and drunk driving are two separate issues.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    Just because some people break a law doesn’t mean we need to change it to accommodate them.
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    True, but it might be wise to consider alternatives that are actually effective.
     
  19. the futants

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    Exactly.

    Also, I find it ridiculous that it's easier for a teenager to acquire pot/acid/x/coke/whatever than beer. I agree with the folks in that article: Get it out in the open like it is for everybody else. Education has got to be better than prohibition. It seems natural for teenagers to "rebel" against things. Give them one less thing to rebel against. It certainly couldn't hurt to experiment. It hasn't negatively affected the youth of other civilized countries (in Europe and elsewhere).
     
  20. Nice Rollin

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    well, maybe we're changing the wrong law. we should have stricter laws on underage drinking if anything.
     

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