Will any current NBA players tie or eclipse Jordan's 6 rings?

hmmmm. i remember when i was watching the blazers kick butt in the early 90s that your *opinion* is different from people who watched the blazers in the 90s.

 

kobe is in the best shape IMO. mostly because the lakers look like they will contend for a few more years.

duncan may get one more, but at 33, i don't see him winning another 2. or winning finals mvp.

shaq may win one in cleveland this season. but as a secondary, or even tertiary player.

as for the future... lebron or dwight.

 

I wasn't knocking drexler for not winning...I was simply stating how hard it is to win a title without a good big man.

I think it was incredible that he led them there twice in Portland with Buck Williams and Kevin Duckworth. Not bad players, but they aren't exactly Hakeem, Drob, Shaq, Ewing, Kareem, Parish, Duncan or Moses either (bigs who got to the finals in the 80's/90's)

I know that team was good and Drexler was the 2nd best shooting guard in the NBA at the time. They were also coached by Rick Adelman.


I know my stuff man, don't start with me acting like you are some basketball genius or something...I do my research/h.w. when I post.

I don't just live in the past and use my age as my reference

 

Lebron is still only 25 and getting better...I would say he has the best shot.

I don't think the Lakers win with Artest...too much of a nut case on and off the court.

I know Phil won with Rodman, but Rodman had excellent Bball IQ. Ron Artest doesn't.

 

how is it subjective?? Do you really believe Manu Ginobili is more talented individually than:

Kobe
Lebron
Dwade
Tmac(prime)
Pierce
Ray Allen(maybe)
Allen Iverson (prime)
Vince Carter (prime)
Carmello
Brandon Roy
Joe Johnson (maybe)
Danny Granger (maybe)
Kevin Durant

I don't think he does anything better than any of these guys in their prime, except defensively, I'll give him the edge over AI and Joe Johnson...and maybe passes better than Granger, Durant, and Carmello.

He has no post up ability like all of the shooting guards (except for AI) have. His ball handling is comparable, but it isn't better than anybody listed.

Allen, Pierce, Granger, Dwade, Kobe, Lebron, and Pierce are all better shooters.

I can list players that are better at EVERY aspect of the game than Ginobili (scoring, defense, rebounding, passing):

Lebron, Kobe, Dwade, Brandon Roy, Paul Pierce, Tmac (prime), VC (prime)


Ginobili is a nice shooting guard, but he is clearly 3rd tier at best, when comparing him at his best (2005) to everybody else at their best.

If top shooting guards cannot lead their team to the Finals or even high playoff seeds, how do you except a 3rd tier (at best) shooting guard to lead a team to the finals or a high playoff seed?

 

well you need to do some better research then in your attempt to be the next durvasa.

Duckworth was an All Star in 1991.

Guess who lead the league in field goal percentage in 1991 at 60% ?
oh that would be Buck Williams.

Who was all defensive 1st Team in 1991?
oh damn that would be Buck Williams again.

you obviously need to work on your research so you can pretend you know how basketball players were based youtube and basketball-reference.

The Blazers didn't get out the West cause they had crap front court.
But again, you never saw that.

Yeah, I did live in the past so I can talk about it, at least I'm not pretending that I was there when Naismith and George Michan were alive or when Christopher Columbus found the new World.

I never said I was a genius, I'm just trying to inform the other posters here who are somewhat confused about your post when you ramble on tons of stats and random basketball facts. just letting them know your position aka you never saw these teams or players play.

Carry on dude, make my google stock go up again.

 

I think Manu has great competitive spirit. I remember Pop said that Manu is the most competitive player he has ever been around. That competitive spirit made Manu Olympic champion, Euroleague champion, and nba champions!

 

jordan had pippen and rodman.

 

I knew Kevin Duckworth was an all star twice...there have been many playeres who make the all star team once or twice in their careers.

Otis Thorpe, Horace Grant, James Donaldson, Jammaal MaGloire, Vlade Divac, Anthony Mason, Antonio Davis, A.C. Green,

1 or 2 all star appearance doesn't make you an elite big man that wins NBA championships.

As far as Buck Williams, he was a very solid power forward, and a great role player. Ya he shot 60% in 91 and 92, but he was only taking 7 shots per game.

So shooting 60% is nice and all, but if you are only attempting 7 shots per game, its not saying a whole lot.

Its not like its Jordan shooting 50% when he was taking 25-30 field goal attempts per game.



I NEVER said Duckworth and Williams were bad players, I said they were not elite, and teams outside of Jordan's Bulls rarely win a title without an ELITE big man who can score:

from 1975-76 to 2009: Big men on NBA championship teams.

Gasol/Odom, Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, R. Wallace/B. Wallace, Duncan, Shaq (x3), Duncan, Dream (x2), Kareem(x2), Parish/McHale, Kareem, Parish/McHale, Moses, Kareem/McAdoo, Parish/McHale, Kareem, Sikma, E. Hayes/Unseld, Walton, Cowens

Are you telling me Kevin Duckworth (2 time all star) and Buck Williams (NBA all defensive team and field goal % leader (twice) are better than the players I listed above??

Answer: Maybe better than or equal to Ben/Rasheed Wallace and Jack Sikma, but thats about it...and its still debatable.

The ONLY 2 teams that didn't have an ELITE big men on their team were Bad Boys Pistons and the Bulls in the 90's.

But the Pistons had post up scorers in James Edwards and Mark Aguirre and had rebounders in Rodman, Lambier, Mahorn, and John Salley, so they got their production, but through many players instead of 1 or 2 elite big men.

Jordan was the primary post up option for the Bulls with Cartwright being the 2nd. Pippen would take advantage of smaller guards at times as well. The 2nd time around, Rodman was dominant on the boards.


I think it was amazing that Drexler got his team to the Finals twice with Duckworth and Williams as his bigs and to the WCF in between those years.

I wasn't knocking Drexler, I was giving him his props.

Also, I don't act like I was alive back then, but looking at video and stats, I give FACTS. I don't pull stuff out of nowhere.

Look at all of my posts...I always do my research. You interpretting things the wrong way or disagreeing with me, I cannot help that.

 

I agree 100%...he is a very good player and has a great competitive spirit.

I'm not trying to call him a bad player, but I honestly don't feel that he is a top tier shooting guard in the NBA.

I think he is a great 2nd or 3rd option, but I don't think he could lead better than people that are much more talented than him.

He has the mind and heart of a leader/champion, but I don't think he has the physical skills to lead a team as the 1st option to that level.

That is all I'm saying.

 

Manu is a top shooting guard in nba. Even Kobe agrees!

btw, you probably seldom watch Manu's games. In fact, he has amazing physical skills as well.

 

I know you weren't knocking Drexler. I never said that, again, another random statement from you.

again you were knocking the entire Portland front court that you never saw them play for real (meaning real games during that period not youtube or nba video).

you realize in the West during that period, there were players named Olajuwon, Robinson, Karl Malone, Vlade Divac (young) and they were the ones representing the West right?

Did you know the the Blazers were the #2 team in defense in 91-92?

Because Duckworth and Williams aren't Hakeem and Barkley does not mean they didn't play well on those teams.

you know why were 'surprised' that Drexler made it with them? cause you didn't know how good that Portland team was, because if you did know, then you wouldn't have some general statement about Drexler making it to the Finals with Duckworth and Williams.. and let's not forget the rest of the blazers too, like Terry Porter ,Jerome Kersey and Cliff Robinson.

Anyways, I'd like to hear what the other people here think about it who actually saw the game.

 

those late 80s early 90 blazer teams would easily win the championship over any team in the past 5 years


the only team that i can see actually beating them in the past decade was the 99-00 lakers and maybe the 2003 spurs

 

I'm a big spurs fan, and I watch them whenever they come on national tv (which is just as much as LA since they always go deep into the playoffs)


Manu Ginobili is a 3rd Tier shooting guard. Kobe has respect for him as a competitor (remember him saying that on "Kobe doin work), but that doesn't change the fact that Ginobili is on a team with Duncan and Parker and has never shown the abilities of a top tier shooting guard

meaning: scoring 20+ ppg with an entire defense geared to stop you, scoring over double teams, getting assists, rebounding, playing more than 37-40+ minutes per game.

It may not be his fault, but he was at best the 2nd best player on the Spurs (2005-2006) and a great bench player other than that.

 

Blasphemer!

 

If you were a big spurs fan, you would watch all (or most) of their games by LP...

 

The 3 peat Lakers were dominant and had veterans who knew how to win as well. So I could see them beating the Blazers. Those Lakers beat some very good teams, very easily.

I would say the 2005 Spurs had a better chance with a developed Manu and TP instead of Duncan and aging Drob. But Duncan was at his peak in 2003, so its hard to tell. No matter what year you take, the Spurs defense was great as well.

Boston had 3 legit scoring options and a solid point guard and that defense was great too. They actually match up very well, with the x-factor being if Garnett vs. B. WIlliams.

Kersey and Pierce are both strong small forwards and Allen and Drexler would make each other play defense in ways they don't like to play (Drexler chasing around Allen, Allen trying to guard a much stronger Drexler in the post).

The Blazers easily beat the Pistons, 2009 Lakers, or Heat though...no doubt about that.

 

Cant afford league pass. sorry. Even if I did, i don't have the time to watch all the games.

I have a hard enough time watching all the Rockets games.

I'm a college student, got bigger priorities right now.

 

wow, you didn't even through some basketball-reference.com at me,
you must be speaking from the heart as a basketball fan.

 

false

the 99-00 lakers were dominant after that they started to lose their players and bench fox, horry fisher all came off the bench that year for the lakers they all went on to be come starters. the teams after that were great but i dont think could hang with those blazers at all, esp that 02 team.

as for the whole veteran thing? you think those blazers were all rookies or something? they were battled tested as well and mentally tough players with a good combo of vets and young guys.

the boston team? thats to laugh, they played excellent defense but way too thin for portland and its depth. the blazers played just as good defense at every position and would win that series as well. that boston team would be handled too IMO those blazers teams were just as tough mentally and physically. So boston had 3 legit scoring options? the entire blazers team had guys who could score and had to be guarded at all times not too mention that they had guy who came off the bench who could score as well.


the spurs team was disciplined enough but as good as that spurs team was in 03 the blazers were too talented all across the board to be consistently stopped and the blazers were extremely balanced both offensively and defensively.


not going to really go further on this because you've never seen some of those late 80s early 90s teams play to have a good judgement of what they did and how they played...thats not your fault because you werent born then (much like I have no idea how good those boston teams in the 60s were) but at the same time dont go discrediting those teams because you have seen the teams of the past decade play and know what they can do.


I still stand by that the only team I can see beating either the 89 blazers or the 92 blazers in the last 10 years is that 99-00 lakers.