Converted Muslim girl fears that her parents will kill her

Regardless of the religious aspect, how about legal action? The girl is still 17 and a minor. Will she be required to return to her parents? Can this case be considered kidnapping (if she truly is staying with the preacher, etc)? Will we ever sign Ramos?

 

There is no penalty. The Qur'an is clear about this. All verses dealing with apostasy say punishment will be dealt in the afterlife. The Qur'an is also very clear about respecting religion:

Any Muslim who says otherwise is committing bid'ah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bid'ah).

 

In this particular case, it seems to me that the pastor is more likely to be the crazy one than the parents.

 

What's anooying is that I'm so tired and so sleepy. and I KNOW you know this. I can't BELIEVE that no one has even said it yet.

But I have to come out of my self-imposed D&D ban (coz I owe Grizzled a long response, but Ramadan hours are killing me!) to say this:

Honor killings and Islam have nothing to do with one another except that Islam anihilated the practice when it came. The punishment for an honor killing is the same as the punishment for cold-blooded murder: execution. The punishment in the afterlife is the same as the punishment for murder: you will be tried as if you have killed every single human.

To clarify: Honor Killings are ancient arabian and PRE-ISLAMIC. Later on, Islam came along and forbade it. Along with human sacrifice and burying femal babies, all these things were thrown out the window.

So link it to Arabs all you want. But don't be a DUNSK and link it to Islam just because most Arabs are Muslims therefore most honorkillings will be done by Muslims.

One last time... Say it with me... HONOR KILLINGS ARE PURELY CULTURAL AND ARE UNRELATED TO ISLAM'S TEACHINGS. THE CONNECTION IS INCIDENTAL BECAUSE ALMOST ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS.

DD, as this was explained to you in the very thread you're reffering to, I would've thought you'd remember. Anyways..

 

Yes on Stalin and Lenin, but Hitler was a Catholic in good standing.

 

I do remember, and I do believe you. It is the other people doing it in the name of Islam that you need to remind.

DD

 

And ironically, many Catholics were killed in the camps as they were found hiding Jewish children in their farmhouses.

Odd, eh?

 

Oh they know. It's just that when they screw up they like to blame it on Islam. It's freedom of speech. They can say what they want. They can say it's in the name of vaginophobia for all I care.

It's not the people that need to be reminded. It's the media and their mindless minions with self-serving agendas that need to be reminded to crack a book open once in a while.

Then we can condemn these people together. Unfortunately, some are more interested in having the finger-pointing olympics than helping each other out.

 

Hitler was religious, he made Nazis wear plates that said Gott mit uns, which means god with us. Dont mention hitler as an atheist.

 

While I wouldn't trust the NY Daily News as exactly a credible source even in the article that you link to it says:
[rquoter]While it has not been determined whether Aasiya Hassan’s death had anything to do with fanatical beliefs, the community should address the attitudes that make divorce particularly difficult for many Muslim families, Shahram said. [/rquoter]

They acknowledge its speculative on their part that religion had anything to do with the killing.

 

Hitler wasn't an atheists but consider the Nazi beliefs were based heavily on Norse and other Northern European mytholgy I don't think he was a Christian.

 

Maybe?!?!?!?! muahhahahaha........


-rocketblaze

 

The choice of the thread title says quite a bit. Why choose this title?

We have no idea what is going on, but it is a sad story.

 

It's called "burying the lead." The story here isn't "crazy Muslim dad trying to kill his daughter," but "crazy Christian cult kidnapping Muslim girl and turning her against her family."

 

I am getting tired of the media constantly bashing muslims. Goodness gracious, I think this is a case of a girl being lured in by a cult leader type guy, and by learning that she's muslim he decides that there is a way to make the perspective on muslims even worse.

 

I'm usually on this side of the argument, but the issue came up this time saying non-religious people can be wackjobs too. Hitler may not have been a Christian, but he did have screwy ideas about God that put him outside the nonreligious set. (Even though his murdering seems inspired by his humanism.)

 

I think DD's position is generally one on religion as a whole, and regardless of whether or not "honor killings" are acceptable in Islam, this incident most certainly has to do with religion. There may be misplaced facts, but at the root of the issue, one of the key issues here is religion. It just is.

That said, I will agree DD comes across as anti-muslim at times, but I'd question whether that was just a function of the fact that there are a lot of stories like this. I'm pretty sure he's been equally vocal in the cases where a christian or other religion has done something stupid, too....but could be wrong.

The title of the thread isn't either of your examples. The thread title lays out the fact of the story, both of your example titles imply a cause that may or may not actually represent the truth.

 

As a Christian myself looking into the "church" in Florida I have to agree. Christianity is great as it is(IMO), no need to try and put any spin on it and warp it into a shell of what its supposed to be. Let the Word do the talking.