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Converted Muslim girl fears that her parents will kill her

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  1. Nice Rollin

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    Dad Says Runaway Daughter Is Brainwashed By Cult


    A teenager said she ran to Orlando to save her life, but her father said she's being brainwashed by a cult.

    The 17-year-old girl said it's a case of life or death, but the decision may not be hers to make.


    Fathima Bary converted to Christianity and said her Muslim father threatened to kill her for dishonoring the family. Her father is on the defense, while the Islamic Society of Central Florida said its faith doesn't condone murder and wonders if the religious runaway is nothing more than a troubled teen.

    "It's completely false," said father Mohamed Bary. "Honestly, it's not my daughter who is speaking."

    Mohamed Bary said he denies he ever threatened to kill his 17-year-old daughter for turning her back on the family's Muslim faith by becoming a Christian. He said he believes the Ohio girl fled to Florida last month after being brainwashed by the pastor of Global Revolution Church of Orlando, who she met on Facebook.

    "This is a cult group who kidnapped my daughter and took her away," Mohamed Bary said.

    The Rev. Blake Lorenz spoke with WESH 2 News earlier this week.

    "She's just afraid for life," he said.

    He's now out of the country on vacation, but by phone he said he didn't coerce Fathima Bary to change faiths.

    "She has been a Christian for four years, long before we ever met her," he said.

    Fathima Bary is in protective custody in Central Florida, but Lorenz said he believes she won't be safe if the court returns the religious runaway to her family. He said former Muslim followers call it an "honor killing."

    "It says if you leave the Muslim faith and don't come back within a couple days you are to be killed," Lorenz said. "They showed me that in the Koran."

    "There's no such thing as honor killing in the Koran," said Islamic Society of Central Florida President Imam Muhammad Musri.

    Musri said, like Christians, Muslims believe killing someone is murder. He said, while there are extremists in every religion, he hopes Fathima Bary isn't hiding behind faith to find freedom.

    "Is she a rebel teenager running away from home, or is she really in danger?" Musri said.

    That's the question that the Department of Children and Families is asking. There's another custody hearing for Fathima Bary next Friday.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32412272/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/



    I hoping this drags out and she turns 18, so she can legally make her own decisions. I'd hate to see a beheading like what happened in New York and Toronto this year...it's just sick
     
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  2. justtxyank

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    Wow.

    What a sad situation. Obviously don't know who is telling the truth in all of this, but no matter what the truth is in this story it will still be a sad one.
     
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  3. pippendagimp

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    she's welcome to stay at my estate with the benefits of full perimeter security detail....after she turns 18 of course :)
     
    #3 pippendagimp, Sep 4, 2009
  4. DaDakota

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  5. Nice Rollin

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    i guess at the end of the day it all depends on interpretation and how conservative the person is
     
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    I read in another article about this same girl that her parents have allowed her to be a cheerleader at her school for years. That doesn't sound like something you'd expect from extremists who would kill their daughter for converting.
     
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  7. Nice Rollin

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    yeah, it sucks if her parents are good people and she has been brainwashed.
     
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  8. DaDakota

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    Or she fears for her life from some of the more radical members of her own family.

    DD
     
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    Like I said, no matter what the truth is in this case it sucks.
     
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  10. bnb

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    I’m going to have to go with Crazy Christian over Crazy Muslim in this case. Consider:

    1. She changed her faith 4 years prior to meeting the looney Rev, and was not beheaded, or otherwise dismembered during that time

    2. She ‘met’ the Rev on facebook. And he convinced her to go meet him. Hmmmmm. Why hello Mr Chris Hansen. Only scarier.

    3. His honour killing presumption is based on what he was showed in that there Koran. Sounds much more like he’s convincing her, then she’s voicing her fears. Why didn’t Papa kill her off 4 years ago if the accepted timeline was only a couple of days? Surely she can tough it out one more year.

    Unless there's more info on Papa that we don't know about, any reservations on sending her back sound pretty baseless. Unless you think a Muslim household is no place for a kid. (and there a words for you nutters).
     
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    I agree.

    What made me wonder is their name: Global Revolution Church? So I looked at their website.

    http://www.globalrevolutionchurch.org/index-1-1.html

    They don't seem to be denominationally affiliated. That doesn't make them a cult, but it would help quell concerns if they were affiliated. It is pastored by 6 people, 3 of whom are in the same family. And then, a couple of things in their vision statement strike me as odd, like preparing for the Second Coming and Israel being the key to Christ's return.
     
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    Ya no way she would be allowed to be a cheerleader then.

    Heck, even my dad wouldn't allow my sister to do that and he is FAR from an extremist.
     
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    Yeah, we certainly do not know the facts it very well be a wack job preacher brainwashing her.

    DD
     
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    Or more like "let me backtrack from my first two posts in this thread after I predictably jumped to conclusions in feeding my own prejudices now that more level headed individuals have shed light on the issue.


    DD"
     
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  15. Nice Rollin

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    yeah, if her parents allow her to be a cheerleader then i doubt there's anything to worry about...but can you really know?

    earlier this year there was that tv station owner in toronto who beheaded his wife as an honor killing...Apparently he was a good guy

    this situation just plain sucks...
     
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  16. DaDakota

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    Not at all......I am merely saying it could be anything, there are lots of females killed in the name of Islam, that TV station owner that beheaded his wife comes to mind.

    It is not totally out of the question, is it?

    Just as there are tons of wackjob religous leaders that brainwash people...Jim Jones, David Koresh, Ayatollah, Bin Laden......

    I do have prejudices....against religion.........

    Your anti -DD prejudice makes you think I am always bashing.....particularly your faith.

    DD
     
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    I don't recall that being done in the name of Islam. Just because the perpetrator is a Muslim doesn't mean that the act was in the name of Islam.
     
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  18. DaDakota

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    Sorry, I thought it was labled an honor killing.

    Maybe it was just a guy mad at his wife

    Either way, it was pretty sick, but it does seem to be related to an honor killing. at least in some media reports.

    More info on the "honor killings":

    "The United Nations estimates that as many as 5,000 women (others put the number higher) are murdered in such honor killings each year for offenses like immodesty or refusing an arranged marriage. It looks like the U.S. is not immune to these acts of brutality and barbaric practices. This is all very foreign and strange to the Western mind but it is something that Muslim immigrants have brought with them and now the U.S. must deal with it.

    Robert Spencer points out even more while discussing another honor killing that took place in Texas. These are more than just isolated incidents. This a pattern that stems from the accepted practice of killing female family members that bring “dishonor” to the family in the Islamic world. "

    Link to great article about the beheading and the trouble that Western civilizations are having with the Islamic culture and honor killings

    I could see where this would be a point for a slimy preacher to use to brainwash her, or how she might actually feel threatened.....

    Either way, as someone else said, it sucks.


    DD
     
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    oh give me a ****ing break , typical western media making muslims looking bad.
     
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  20. Rocket River

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    I beleive Hitler Stalin Lenin were non-religious
    They were not exactly that great shakes

    Rocket River
     
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