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Obama, like Bush, will search your laptop/cell phone/camera without any suspicion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Aug 28, 2009.

  1. Red Chocolate

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    lol @ scifi movie. It's basically spot on with what's being implemented in the UK and what we'll have in the US eventually if we keep tolerating terroristic legislation like this. George Orwell was an insider who decided to whistleblow, these plans have been around in some shape or form for nearly a century.
     
  2. Red Chocolate

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    Quoted for TRUTH. Rockefeller is irate because the internet is one thing the global elitists don't have full control over (yet), and is throwing a serious wrench into their plans. Without the internet, we'd be eating up mainstream propaganda by the fistful, at least now the informed have thousands of alternative news sources that aren't corporately backed. I hate to think about where our society would be right now w/o the internet (and it's already pretty bad).
     
  3. Refman

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    Wow.

    So Obama wants to dictate what bonuses companies can pay, he acquired a controlling interest in two auto manufacturers...and now this. Anybody that wants to b**** about "Wall Street" will soon have to be complaining about the government, since they are calling the shots.

    Who knew that Wall Street would be relocated to Capitol Hill?

    Really disappointing.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Nothing we didn't already know about Obama....the guy has no clue
     
  5. Major

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    Of companies that only exist because the gov't gave them money and became a primary creditor. If the gov't gives a company $10B because their survival is integral to the US economy, do you think they should have the right to dictate how that money is used? Do you believe the the company should be able to simply distribute all the money as bonuses and be back in the same boat, if they so choose?

    Which prevented the total collapse of the manufacturing sector and will be soon be publicly owned again.

    Does anyone here realize the gov't already has emergency powers over virtually all critical infrustructure (and for good reason) - for example, the FAA has emergency powers over air traffic, etc. Pre-internet, did everyone complain? The only reason there isn't that emergency power for the internet is that it's a relatively new medium in terms of being considered critical infrastructure.

    Even the privacy advocacy groups aren't entirely against this. They understand the need for it and are working with gov't on the details. This is another one of those scare tactic articles.

    Except they aren't. Even AIG, which is about as gov't owned as anything, isn't having the gov't call the shots.
     
  6. rockergordon

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    This is what I hate about the exexutive branch. No president will ever relinquish new powers. I cringe to think how much power the pres will have a hundred years from now.
     
  7. Refman

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    Probably none, as our system of government will have crumbled by then.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Have you been drinking or do you just have a very weird lisp?
     
  9. Refman

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    Damn...good catch Batman. I totally missed that one.
     
  10. rockergordon

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    Yeah, I guess you could say I have a blackberry lisp.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Yep I imagine that things look different when you sit behind the desk at the Oval Office. That said this is still dissapointing.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Considering he is continuing a policy of the previous Admin. apparently neither did they.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    Obviously the government has a the power to do all sorts of things but that doesn't mean that such things are good or in the best interests of the populace. I understand the reasoning for while they would want a policy to search computers at security checkpoints and for taking control of the internet but those are policies that could potentially lead to abuses while placing another burden on personal liberties.
     
  14. insane man

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    as in its easy to govern scared so you get re-elected and don't have to fight the good fight. i can't imagine obama thinking the constitution doesn't apply at customs at the airport. nor do i imagine him believing that suspicionless sifting through electronic data is effective, at least not enough to mitigate its downsides.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Email can be tracked back to the source even if it has been spoofed. It is actually far more reasonable to pack a thumb drive, bury files on a laptop, or hide them on an iPhone if you want to smuggle prohibited electronic material.

    Keep this in mind if you use email for "private" communication. Most email goes through as plain text that anyone looking at the data on the wire will be able to see. ONLY SEND EMAIL IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONTENTS BEING PRINTED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER. This goes double for material in your work email, which is owned by your emplyer, not you.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    If you're sending contraband data/programming, you can email it with encryption. The government will not be able to crack it and know what it is, so tracking the emails you send (among the billions of other emails out there) will do them no good. I suppose you could likewise encrypt stuff on your laptop, so searching the laptop won't help if took the trouble to encrypt. This cannot be the justification for searching computers at the border without reasonable cause.
     
  17. rhadamanthus

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    In Britain at least, you can now be held in contempt if you do not supply encryption passwords. US soon to follow no doubt, with Barack's utterly hypocritical DOJ.
     
  18. STIX

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    Government needs this power for one reason and one reason alone. To blind Americans to government moving against them.

    If they were to make a move against us cutting off communications they don’t control would be key to stopping the public from forming opinions against the government and then organizing against them.

    Internet can be canceled like that. poof. Facebook etc and the other centrally directed “phone” systems are just as weak. Take out the switchboards, the system is defunct.

    That leaves: amateur radio, C.B. “free band” and other point to point stand alone channels. They are slow but they are independent of switch points. plus runners, smokesigs…lanterns in the church steeple…

    Oh! that also leaves old fashioned voice to ear……the most trusted communication channel ever invented. Glen Beck has adopted an idea I keep pushing: talk out in the supermarket check out lane. Don’t be quiet.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Sorry to tell you this, dude, but the NSA can break any encryption that exists.
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    5th amendment?
     

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