That's true. Relievers can get overworked, but it's also true that you can't just chalk up every bad performance to that. But you said it was because they suck. And I'm saying on that account, for those 2 players, you're clearly wrong.
If you look at the numbers for these pitchers for the entire season up until about 2 weeks ago and compare them to the last 2 weeks and still say that, you will confirm what a lot of us already know... You know almost nothing about baseball and any attempt to educate you is futile at best.
Add Arias to that mix and we agree. As for Sampson...midway through last season when we moved him to the pen through his DL stint recently, he was a very good reliever. I am not convinced he has healed from his injury. Hawkins and Valverde are good when healthy. The rest of the pen are journeymen and retreads and should be dispatched accordingly.
haha. when you no longer have an argument, you sink to childishly insulting people with a differing opinion than you. if your never having made a real point and having nothing besides "they got dead arm cuz i said they do" as your argument didn't end this discussion already, your immaturity and hiding behind a keyboard certainly will. i'm sure i know tons more about baseball than you do in the first place, but you've made it crystal clear that i know more about life and maturity than you. hopefully the rest of the board takes note of that and treats you accordingly.
I'm pretty sure you don't know nearly as much about baseball as you think you do. Everything is gloom and doom with you. A guy has a couple of bad nights and "he sucks" regardless of how he had performed previously all season long. If that is your knowledge of life and maturity, I'll pass. Thanks though. Alberto Arias has appeared in 40 games since being called up on May 6, 2009. That is a ton of appearances for a relief pitcher in that short a time. When a guy is lights out for a month and a half and then struggles horribly, you don't find that indicative of a problem other than "he sucks?" Odd. Really, really odd. I do not have the time to find all the numbers on Fulchino, et al. You can do that, oh wise and mature one. I say they have been overused to be at their best effectiveness, which is common in baseball today. You just blanketly say "they suck," and deride anybody who would dare to use common baseball logic to state otherwise. And you claim to be so mature. What a joke.
Let's extrapolate internet arguments to real life knowledge some more. That's a great way to make your point!
Missed the game but from following it on gamecast I don't think I missed much besides Kaz fianlly getting his green jacket! Interesting note about Miggy moving to 3rd next year.... http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/...t_id=6439886&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
Miggy is a great asset for this team. I hope we can keep him, particularly if he can actually play 3B.
i didn't "claim to be so mature", just more so than you, which isn't hard to see. i don't resort to juvenile personal attacks when disagreeing with somebody over a trivial baseball debate. as for the argument, i'm pretty sure you just don't understand what you are saying. you are the one taking one side of the extreme, chalking any recent poor performance up to "they got dead arm", not at all taking their skill level or any other factors into consideration. i said "for all intents and purposes, they suck" for effect, to make the point that these guys aren't trevor hoffman and mariano rivera....they are going to have bad outings - several of them - over the course of the season. they don't have track records of shutdown dominance. i take the rest of their careers into consideration, not just pitching well this season (if they did). it doesn't surprise me when any of them get shelled or come back down to earth...it's the law of averages. could fatigue contribute on any given night? sure, but that also stems from being 2/3 of the way into the season. you make it sound like once you "get dead arm", that's it for you. every bad outing from then till season's end is a result of being overused, no matter how much rest you have in between appearances. arias has had bad outings recently while receiving ample time in between - so i guess the only logical thing to do is shut him down the rest of the season? what is the timetable on "dead arm" recuperation these days? i never said arias sucks. i'm certainly not convinced he's awesome just because he strung a great month together though. the jury is still out on him. coming back down to earth IS as possibility, as is fatigue, which you don't seem to grasp the concept of. expecting an unheralded, relatively unknown player in his first real taste of the big leagues to continue a 20+ inning scoreless streak throughout the season and never experience any bumps in the road is nuts. also, while i admit to being critical of him and saying otherwise before, byrdak has had a good enough season, and i am guilty of being a prisoner of the moment when i was frustrated watching him. i can tell you without looking that he leads all our relievers in appearances. is he just impervious to "dead arm"? you don't seem to be critical of cooper "overworking" him...i wonder why that is? the second he strings a bad outing or two together, i suspect you'll hop on the "dead arm" train for him too. i suspect you'll whine about this being an insult and use it as an example of me stooping down to your level of maturity, but i promise you it isn't intended as one: whatever wealth of baseball knowledge you have or think you have, you are severely lacking in the common sense department. there are a myriad of factors at work other than "dead arm" that can lead to a young, a journeyman, or a grizzled vet reliever's poor outings. that IS common sense. i understand that at this point, you are in too deep or too stubborn to accept that, and that's fine. i can respect your opinion without agreeing with it and slinging childish character attacks. you should grow up a little and learn to do the same.
I distinctly recall not being the only one on the board that tires from time to time of your gloom and doom, they suck mentality. So now you want to compare a reliever to Rivera and Hoffman (two superstar closers). That is the measuring stick? They are Trvor Hoffman-like or they suck? Such an odd position to take.
only 10 games in the loss column ahead of the 2nd to worst record in the majors to get strassburg. maybe we'll continue getting pummeled and have a legit shot at it down the stretch.
