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French ban the "Burquini"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DFWRocket, Aug 12, 2009.

  1. DFWRocket

    DFWRocket Member

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    I do think its a dumb ban. the "Burquini" is actually made specifically for swimming. However, the thing that really bothers me is that they MANDATE that french men must wear TIGHT SWIM BRIEFS and a swim cap. glad we don't have that rule in the U.S.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_burquini_banned

    PARIS – A Muslim woman garbed in a head-to-toe swimsuit — dubbed a "burquini" — may have opened a new chapter in France's tussle between religious practices and its stern secular code.

    Officials insisted Wednesday they banned the woman's use of the Islam-friendly suit at a local pool because of France's pool hygiene standards — not out of hostility to overtly Muslim garb.

    Under the policy, swimmers are not allowed in pools with baggy clothing, including surfer-style shorts. Only figure-hugging suits are permitted.

    Nonetheless the woman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam identified only as Carole, complained of religious discrimination after trying to go swimming in a "burquini," a full-body swimsuit, in the town of Emerainville, southeast of Paris.

    She was quoted as telling the daily Le Parisien newspaper that she had bought the burquini after deciding "it would allow me the pleasure of bathing without showing too much of myself, as Islam recommends."

    "For me this is nothing but segregation," she said.

    The issue of religious attire is a hot topic in France, where head-to-toe burqas or other full-body coverings worn by some Muslim fundamentalists are in official disfavor.

    France is home to western Europe's largest Muslim population, estimated at 5 million, and Islam is the nation's second religion after Roman Catholicism.

    A 2004 law banning the wearing of Muslim head scarves at public schools sparked fierce debate. That legislation also banned Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses in public classrooms.

    French lawmakers recently revived the issue of Muslim dress with a proposal that the burqa and other voluminous Muslim attire be banned.

    President Nicolas Sarkozy, a conservative, backs the move, saying such garb makes women prisoners.

    The "burquini" covers the arms to the wrists and the legs to the ankle and has a hood to cover neck and hair.

    An official in charge of swimming pools for the Emerainville region, Daniel Guillaume, said the refusal to allow the local woman to swim in her "burquini" had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with public health standards.

    "These clothes are used in public, so they can contain molecules, viruses, et cetera, which will go in the water and could be transmitted to other bathers," Guillaume said in a telephone interview.

    "We reminded this woman that one should not bathe all dressed, just as we would tell someone who is a nudist not to bathe all naked," he said.

    Guillaume said France's public health standards require all pool-goers to don swimsuits for women and tight, swimming briefs for men — and caps to cover their hair. Bathers also must shower before entering the water.

    Guillaume said Carole had tried to file a complaint at a local police station, but her request was turned down as groundless.

    Carole told the daily Le Parisien she would protest with the help of anti-discrimination groups.

    Emerainville Mayor Alan Kelyor said he could not understand why the woman would want to swim in head-to-toe clothes.

    "We are going back in civilization," he said by telephone. Women have fought for decades for equal rights with men, he said. "Now we are putting them back in burqas and veils."

    The suits have a clear market.

    Women "jump on the occasion so they can swim with their families. Otherwise, they end up staying on the beach and watching," said Leila Mouhoubia, who runs an online site from France that specializes in the sale of Islamic swimsuits. Sales, she said, are strong.

    "I think it's forbidden (in France) because it presents an image of the Muslim woman (and) they have prejudices against Muslims," she said by telephone. "They want women to be undressed."

    Mouloud Aounit, head of the anti-racism group known as MRAP, said the decision to ban Carole from the pool appeared fair, since pool authorities were observing regulations. But Aounit lamented that the incident was likely to fuel religious tensions.

    "The rules must be the same for everybody, regardless of the color of their skin or their religion," Aounit said. "The concern I have is that this case will again lead to stigmatization of the Muslim population in France."

    The all-body suits, worn regularly by some women in Muslim countries, are growing popular in the West. They can be seen on female Muslim lifeguards on Australian beaches, in the United States and various European countries, from the Netherlands to Sweden — which OKed them after two women won discrimination cases last year.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Oh no! Molecules will get in the water!
     
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    Yeah... let's try to be more like France too. [​IMG]

    We must
     
  4. MoonDogg

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    As opposed to your skin, which is NOT used in public...right Guillaume?
     
  7. Rashmon

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    The new "Bay Watch" ...
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  8. BetterThanEver

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    A nitwit that is afraid of molecules getting in the water. He failed to realize that water and the human body is composed of molecules.
     
  9. Ari

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    I still have a hard time understanding why the French insist on hiding behind crappy arguments and excuses instead of just acknowledging they hate religion and save us all the time :confused:

    Seriously, who buys this crap?! (molecules? Did you just say MOLECULES?!) :eek:

    France really has become the land of cowards and hypocrites. Forget Islam, this is starting to make them look stupid and insecure.
     
  10. Mathloom

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    So irritating. Also, Burquini is such an offensive word fyi.

    I am against Burqas in general, but it is a choice. As is this swimsuit. It's so incredibly irritating.

    This is what I hate about secularism. It seems to bu supressing rather than increasing freedom in this case.

    The argument is so incredibly poor as well.

    As if bathing in my birthday suit is any different. Cleanliness is determined by a person. I think it's fair to say that if you are not clean, your clothes will not be either and if you are then your clothes will be as well.

    Why not stop people with too much armpit hair and/or pubic hair from doing this? That's the real infestation problem right there. The French are apparently fine with that though as long as you reduce the amount of clothing you wear. What a stupid rule. Stupid stupid stupid.
     
  11. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    EXACTLY. This is not about Islam. That swimsuit is not compliant with Islamic Sharia and Burqas have nothing to do with Islam, they are purely cultural.

    This is about the French being idiots about the whole thing. Silly excuses masking their need to squash anything they don't like because they hate what is becoming the growing PR nightmare of the Muslim population in France.

    Perhaps they want to slow that down, I don't know. But cut the crap. France enlightened the world with its movement towards freedom and democracy. Now they've degenerated into abusing the idea of secularism for their own irrational fears.
     
  12. NafeesLACC

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    America looks so much better than France on these issues

    America's separation of church and state but its allowance of people to practice their religion freely is wonderful, people should be allowed to wear what they want to wear, how the hell is the "burqini" even hardly inappropriate.
     

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