WH Health Care Advisor: Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions

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An Updated List of What’s Really in the ObamaCare Bill

The Editors



Note: the page references below may change as the bill goes through changes. It is not final yet.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure.

• Page 30: A federal government health care advisory committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer – they say in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages for participating plans .

• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8 percent tax on payroll

• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.

• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

• Page 272: a review of cancer hospital payments will be undertaken and costs adjusted accordingly.

• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

• Page 425: care provider must consult with government body regarding advanced care. More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?


• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory.

• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. This is an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services:

• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN?

 

What an idiotic article. The bill is out and can be read. What Palin was talking about isn't in the bill.

This is from the link you provided. I bolded the important part.

This is one guys approach and has nothing to do with the bill. So if Palin, you, and this article want to argue against one guy's article that's fine.

But don't pretend like you are arguing against the actual health care reform currently being discussed.

This is also from the article you quoted from. It admits that it's just people trying to construe those meanings.

So if you put together one guys article and twist it in ridiculous methods it turns out that maybe you could possibly construe it that way.

Last but not least...

That is from the article that you linked and you took your quote from.

So basically your article is worthless and doesn't even address any of the health care proposals currently out there.

That was the whole point of calling Palin crazy, and stupid. Because what she, you, and this article are talking about, aren't part of any proposals.

So yes she is crazy, and definitely an idiot.

 

Do you have a link, or did you copy that straight from email?

 

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3962/pub_detail.asp

wonder if they have actually read the proposed bill

 

Your post is full of awesome and this is a basso thread so....

 

Yes I did copy it straight from an email. Here is the house bill read it and compare for yourself.

 

Again, let me note that wingnuts are beyond parody...

 

You are finding some great gems.

 

lets try one

read this and summarize this for me

 

Thanks.

I have done that a little bit with other claims. I may or may not do it again for these, depending on whether I have the time.

I have a couple questions for you, though. First, did you check the bill and verify the claims yourself? And second, if you didn't, would you be willing to acknowledge the claims were baseless or farfetched if presented with the actual text of the bill showing that was the case?

 

I hope everyone realizes that decisions to allocate medical interventions are made all the time. Ever hear of triage and DNR's? Whether the government does it or private insurers do neither will pay for absolutely everything possible to keep you alive. If you are dying of cancer and looking to extend your life by any means necessary sooner or later you will have to pay out of your own pocket no matter what the system.

 

Basso=just trying to be an ignorant man in America.

 

no i think he has succeed in doing that



that and having people put up some funny ass walrus pics

 

what?

I like your lolrus posts though!


nay I actually love them

dont tell me your feelings are hurt people have said worse about you here

 

ITS ALL TRUE GUYS!!!

Here's a documentary I saw on Fox on the European socialist health care system in action:

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