10 million dollar salary to a 35 year old who isnt even very good now. And a potential lottery pick to boot. No thanks!
the kevin martin trade is way better than steven jackson. i would like to have rudy and outlaw as well, but i dont kno what kind of player rudy will become given 30-35min of playin
People seem to be missing my point, so I'll try to be more clear. My point is not that we really really need to trade for Stephen Jackson. My point is that if you're going to go down the road of labeling players 'winners' and 'losers' (something I don't agree with btw), Jackson is clearly much more of a 'winner' than Battier. I fully understand that Jackson has a bad contract, and there are plenty of players I would rather have than him. Although, to be fair, I wouldn't really call Jackson overpaid right now, it's just that he'll be 35 by the time his contract expires.
I like Jackson, but i'm not giving up a 1st rd pick for him under no circumstances. They can have battier and filler like barry, chuck or something like that, but not a pick.
Using your logic, Battier is overpaid even more. Lol I love the knucklehead comment. He was a key player on a championship team that wouldn't have won the title without him and lets not forget his pivotal role in knocking out the 67 win Dallas team in the playoffs. I'm only proposing the Battier for Jackson trade if the Battier for Kobe or Lebron deals don't work out. Ok, so you just want Battier's contract to expire. This was a Battier trade thread, but I guess that's the only proposal you got. Undervalued role players acquired via moneyball are nice, but you need talent to win in this league. No talented players are going to want to come to the Rockets if you don't pay them and give them long term deals. I guess that's something you have no grasp whatsoever of. Also, the Rockets don't have to be in rebuild mode for too long if they make some key moves and yes, God forbid, they spend some money. Let T-Mac's contract expire, pick up a big name in free agency in 2010, move Battier and a draft pick if you have to for another piece like Jackson, Yao comes back, and you're back in contention. I guess mediocrity is okay for you as long as the Rockets have freedom vis-a-vis the salary cap. I'm also going to assume you must've hated the Battier move due to how much he gets paid and the fact that it cost us a lottery pick. Please be consistent. Last, instead of insulting people's intelligence, constantly complaining about the salary cap, and this and that player's contract, give us your vision for what you want the Rockets to do in the next few years. In particular, since this is a Battier trade thread, please give us your proposals. The problem here lee is that nobody is going to give the Rockets crap for Battier and those fillers you mentioned. I'd take Kevin Martin or Fernandez and Outlaw too, but I don't think it's going to happen. And this is Battier with his value sky high. It's only going to get worse. You got the winner part right. He's worked harder to get to where he's at and he's had more success already as a ball player than Battier ever will.
What, are you denying that he is a knucklehead? And sure, he played fine for the Spurs 6 years ago, but he hasn't done jack since the Warriors run. I'll admit that I was one of the few people who disliked the Warriors's little run, but Jackson hasn't done jack since then. Heck, we on this board give plenty of crap for T-Mac who played pretty good until this year, while Jackson hasn't done jack for the last two seasons. We don't have the money to grab an elite player (and the 2010 FA market is fool's gold anyways) if we grab Jackson thanks to the fact that he is massively overpaid, and for some reason I don't see a team of Stephen Jackson and Yao striking terror in the Western Conference. Not really. Battier is paid a decent amount, plays elite defense, and is an excellent leader and mentor for the team. It's why I also would not trade Battier unless it's a deal that pretty obviously favors us - something on the level of the Okafor-Chandler trade that while not lopsided, pretty heavily favored New Orleans. With Deke and Artest gone, Battier's pretty much the leader for these young Rockets, and I'd rather him than that overpaid knucklehead (which I will continue to use to describe Stephen Jackson)
Kwame, the Rockets are rebuilding. Stephen Jackson has one of the worst contracts in the league. He's 31. Why would they trade a solid, affordable player in Battier *and* what will likely be a lottery pick for a guy who was never that good in the first place and is likely to decline as his salary rises? You can flip Battier for a useful player, use him, or let his contract expire. Did you see how difficult it was for Lamar Odom, a younger, more productive player, to get a contract that had fewer dollars and less years? Why pay a premium to take on another team's mistake? Am I talking to Isiah Thomas? I am not "complaining" about the salary cap, I am taking it into account. Unlike you. That's why you come off like a simpleton. Go to dictionary.com and look it up. While you are surfing, check out the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. You are not accounting for one of the biggest realities in the entire league and it is just making you look bad. On a positive note- your Stephen Jackson love is touching. Truly. "He worked so hard!" Yay!
I'm going to ask you again since you have reading comprehension problems, give us your vision for what you want the Rockets to do in the next few years. Stop being ambiguous. In particular, since this is a Battier trade thread, please give us specific proposals. Are you denying that Stephen Jackson has worked harder to get where he's at and has been more successful as a bball player than Battier? Lol @ he hasn't done jack since that run. At least you admit you don't like him, but he did have a career year last season. Also, he only makes 800K more than Battier and unlike Shane he's an offensive threat, a very good defender, and clutch player. So don't tell me the Rockets won't be a player in 2010 if they trade for him. Give me specific proposals on who or what you would trade your hero Battier for. Don't be vague. After all, this is what this thread is about.
Kwame: here's a specific proposal. See if the Magic would swap Gortat for Battier after December 15th. The salaries are close. A mid level deal for a solid center who is young is worth a look. Another specific proposal: go write Stephen Jackson a poem about how hard he's worked. Pour out your feelings to him, man.
Morey shouldn't hold a fire sale on Shane, and he's smart enough not to do so, which is why I'm not worried about it. The swap for Gortat might already be in place for all we know, but it's more likely that Shane is traded for an expiring and future pick.
I'm no Battier fan, but that's completely unfair. Obviously Jackson's been more successful, but how do you know how hard they've worked? My biggest problem with the Battier people is when they make baseless claims like that. When they start pulling **** out their asses about 'intangibles'.
From Sina: "source says..." Houston trades: Shane Battier, Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry Washington trades: JaVale McGee, Nick Young, Javaris Crittenton and Mike James and a pick. http://sports.sina.com.cn/k/2009-08-03/11054515535.shtml
@Bob Sacamano: I don't think my claim is baseless. Jackson was a 2nd rd pick that bounced around in the CBA, Australian league, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic before coming to the NBA and establishing himself after a season or two in the league. That takes hard work and commitment. The fact that he's also improved his game as the years have gone on culminating in a career best season last year demonstrates to me that he's worked harder than Battier who hasn't really improved at all since he's been in the league. That wouldn't be bad, but not sure how realistic it is since Houston has already brought over Andersen. If the Rockets were going to attempt that trade, they wouldn't have brought Andersen over. Maybe you should just stick to attacking other people instead. You seem like the type that always makes personal attacks and criticizes others people's ideas without never really offering any alternatives of your own. What you fail to see is that if you let T-Mac's contract expire, move Battier for a piece, trade the draft pick if you have to, make one or two key signings in 2010 along with Yao coming back, Houston is a contender. I don't think anything I've said about him is factually incorrect. Go look at how he paid his dues playing bball in obscure leagues sometimes in other parts of the world before coming to the NBA and establishing himself. You really seem to have something personal against him. Did he do something to you or your family?
Stop projecting. I making fun of you. It's easy, but I realize it's child abuse. Slapping around a toddler is nothing to be proud of.
