Wilox to make Francis happy? I mean Wilcox. Well, I picked this off of TRG's site and I know Doc posted KT will not be traded. However, what if the Rockets see Francis leaving next summer and want to keep him??? They have bowed down backwards to him before. For that reason, do you see a Thomas + #15 for the #6 pick (Wilcox)? I mean the Rockets have been telling teams they won't trade KT yet, maybe waiting after the draft. But this might be their best move. I don't know. I am just throwing this out there. If this move keeps our point guard, then I seriously would think about doing it. The negative on this deal is that the sf spot is not answered, but something else could work I assume. This trade was with the Cavs.
Its certainly possible. Especially when you consider the ridiculous contract his pal Moochie recieved and the drafting of T Morris.
Butler to me seems the more obvious choice too but the Maryland connection is where this trade is liked by Francis. I don't know what players he likes in this draft, but I can assume he likes Wilcox. Butler would be the best fit for this team.
The Rockets are working out Wilcox and Hilario. Perhaps this says that they are possibly working to try to trade up to get one of them. Cleveland seems like a natural choice. But would #15, KT, #37 be enough? I kind of doubt it. But you never know! Chris
Assuming you trade away a KT to get this pick that gets you Hilario or Wilcox, where the hell are you going to play this pick? Griffin and Yao will be at their positions. You're going to move Griff over to SF and have a Triple Towers lineup?? Do you draft these potential studs to platoon them at PF and C?
Yeah, I'm sure he knows him, but they weren't teammates. I'm sure Steve would be just fine with Wilcox.
Very well, I think. He's as strong as an ox and he can jump out of the gym. Have you seen his muscle tone? All he needs to do is put on a little more bulk. At the pre-draft tests he showed he was one of the strongest athletes and I think one of the five fastest. This guy should single-handedly turn a non-running team into a running team. This has always been a reason I had for getting Wilcox. We were all hoping the Rockets would become a running team!
Yeah, 218 pounds might be lean for roughing it out at power forward. But Michael Jordan was 6'6 and about 220 pounds, and he could dunk over anybody, like Dikembe Mutombo, or Alonzo Mourning. Maybe you ought to consider that Wilcox can grow or put on more muscles by continuing to workout. And weren't the Knicks impressed by his workouts with them? I watched the Indiana Maryland game on TV, and I thought Wilcox was awesome. If we can't trade for (a shot blocker)Theo Ratliff, or draft Marcus Haislip, Wilcox sure looks pretty darn good.
Wilcox at 218lbs is not going to help this team at PF! Period. Last year all we heard was how Eddie Griffin was just too thin when he was listed at 6'10" 220lbs. Now some of you want to declair Wilcox at 6'10" 218 lbs is going to come in an make a difference at PF! Thats just laughable. Wilcox did not dominate the glass in College so why does anyone thank he can dominate the glass in the pros? He is only a sophmore which is what Eddie would have been if he were coming out this year. Did Wilcox avg over 8 boards a game this past year? NO! He only avg'd 7 boards and 12 points. As a freshman Eddie avg'd over 10 boards and 4 blocks a game. Best case scenario is that Wilcox comes out and avgs around 5 boards and just a few points a game this year. Remember when Eddie came out he only avg'd 5.7 boards a game. When people start talking about trading Kenny Thomas and the 15 for Wilcox it just kills me. Are we going to get as much from Wilcox in the next 3 or 4 years as we are from KT? HELL NO!! There is not even the most remote chance of that happening! Wilcox will probably be a nice player in the league some day but he is just not ready yet.
NO MORE POWER FORWARDS!! The Rockets have so many PF's, in which 3 could be starters. We do not need Wilcox, if we were to move up, we should definitely pick up Butler. And forget what will make Steve happy, he aleady should be: he has his own team, a city that voted him "best ever" in 2 seasons, and a #1 pick in the upcoming draft.
If we have to pick people to make Francis happy-that's absurd. We don't even know if he's overcome his migraines. I'd trade his butt to Chicago for # 2, then also get the #6 by swapping KT and others. #1,#2,#6= Ming, Jay Williams, Caron Butler...interesting...
While I substantially agree with you, power forward is a part of our problem. KT, who I really like, is to small, Taylor dosn't rebound and offers, on his best day, average defense, and Griffin is all potential. Without weight he may have to go to the three, with weight he may go to center. Clearly he has huge upside, but till proven, it is only potential. If any of the three was without weakness, they would take over the position and all of these posts would be gone. Till one does, I'm willing to look at other options. Yes we have bigger problems, but I would not turn my nose up to a good deal at the four is all I am saying.
Are you implying that Wilcox is somehow more proven than Griffin? That is absurd. Griffin was a much bigger stud in College than Wilcox. Griffin was a dominating rebounder in college, Wilcox was not. Griffin was a dominating shot blocker in college, Wilcox was not. Griffin is just as tall and weighs more than Wilcox. Griffin has a full year of NBA ball under his belt, Wilcox does not. Wilcox as a college player last year avg'd: 11.9 ppg 7.1 rpg 1.5 bpg Griffin as a 19 year old rookie pro avg'd: 8.8 ppg 5.7 rpg 1.84 bpg Wilcox as a 20 year old finished the season weighing 218 lbs. Griffin as a 19 year old started last year weighing 220 lbs. Their are already reports that Griffins off-season program bulking him up. Both are 6'10" We have our power forward and his name is Eddie Griffin. He must be given an opportunity to grow into his potential. If you are looking for immediate help then you will not find it in Wilcox as he is not capable of pushing Eddie for playing time. Here is Griffins college stats as an 18 year old just to give you a more honest comparison to Wilcox stats: 17.8 ppg 10.8 rpg 4.43 bpg Those stats kind of make Wilcox stats look pathetic. One last thing. Wilcox should hope to one day become the player that Kenny Thomas is in this league. Kenny is the guy that will press Eddie if he is not traded. He is also the guy that can give the Rockets the most help in the paint at PF with out the Rockets making a trade for a veteran or with out Eddie having a big year.
I don't think anyone's said Wilcox has proven more in the NBA than Griffin has. One final four and a national title..... I'd say Chris had the better college stay. Wilcox also dominated the best players at his position in College head to head. Jeffries, Dunleavy and Gooden No one's claimed that Wilcox is going to be this dominating NBA rebounder at the start. But he's a very good rebounder in college, just about as good as Griffin. But I'll address that later. No one's claimed Wilcox will be a dominating Shot blocker either. Although he is a pretty good college shot blocker. True, but Wilcox is also quicker and stronger than Griffin, if you compare the Chicago Pre-Draft tests from both their years, Wilcox comes out much farther ahead in strength and speed. Once again true, but somewhat irrelevant as this is a discussion on draft players, all of which don't have NBA experiance. Now you're comparing apples to oranges right here in many ways. Wilcox played at a higher level program than Griffin, and on a National Championship team with 2 All-American level players on his team. Consequently the corresponding statistics comparisons don't hold much water because of that, in my opinion. Griffin took 480 shots in 30 games his freshman year; Wilcox took 343 in 36 games. Wilcox averaged 24.1 minutes where Griffin averaged 32.6. If you averaged out the rebounding in time on the court to Griffin's 32.6 wilcox would be bringing down 9.6 boards. If you extended Wilcox's shots per game to Griffin's 16 per game, Wilcox would be putting up 20.2 points a game The adjusted stats become 20.2 ppg 9.6 rpg 2.0 bpg; and that's pretty close aside from the blocks. Wilcox was born 8/3/82 a full months younger than Griffin, not a year older as you claim. You already stated this previously. I'd be willing to bet he'd push Griffin pretty hard, and while Wilcox may not provide immediate help, he's pretty close to that. The rockets played Griffin at center a bit last season, I think Wilcox could easily take minutes there as well. I find this pretty far fetched... Wilcox has much greater athletecism, is 3 inches taller, and has a much much greater upside than Kenny Thomas. How much have you actually seen of Mr. Wilcox. I'd be interested to know how much you're basing your opinion off of.
