I disagree. This is not the extremely talented team from the 90s where they were a true ace away from truly contending. That Stros team that traded for the big unit was <b>stacked</b>. Nor is this the team like the 04 team which was a good batter away when we added Beltran to Clemens, Roy, Pettite. Those teams did reap the benefits from the trades, we didnt win a ring, but we made the playoffs and were a true contender. This team, lets be honest, is no where close talent wise to those teams. And to gamble away the prospects that we've barely developed after years of dryness in the farm? And for a mere 10 games that Holliday will pitch? I dont know if thats worth the gamble at all. St luis made a trade cause they've been basically #1 all year. They know what they have and what they lacked, a batter. Good for them, as their payroll is comparatively low to begin with (around $78 mil compared to our 108). Would I love to have a Roy Holliday? Sure. If it was just a matter of adding salary, I'd love to do it. But trade away any future for this current roster, with no guarantees whatsoever of making the playoff? I wouldnt do it. This Astros team has played solid ball for a couple months, which gives us hope. But you still cant trust them or even expect them to keep up this pace. I sure hope as hell they do. But I would not be on a 'this is the year, lets sell everything we have to win it all now' mode.
Two points il make is that while we are not as talented as those two years, the division now is much more flawed from top to bottom while those years we had tougher competition especially in 04 Also, We would keep him for 2 years so we would also benefit next year from a strong 1-2-3 rotation. I could also argue that we are one pitcher away because if we get him who else can compare to this 1-2-3... Roy W-L ERA K BB 6-4 3.66 104 33 Wandy W-L ERA K BB 10-6 2.72 117 42 Roy H. W-L ERA K BB 11-3 2.73 113 17
The other thing about adding a pitcher like Halladay is the bullpen relief it would provide. He routinely pitches 8 and 9 innings. That means that the pen is better rested on every other day and even over the course of the 2 remaining months would save those guys a lot of innings.
True and people tend to underestimate the change from the American League with great offenses and the DH to the National League without the comfort of a DH....
If you can't see that the Cubs are a much more talented team and much more likely to win this division/threaten the Cardinals than the Astros, you're a homer. I'm pulling for the 'Stros and all, but let's be realistic.
We would be just as good as the team that made the World Series. Did you see the 2006 playoffs when the Cardinals swept the World Series after being considered the worst division winner? Further evidence you don't know what you are talking about. Halladay is his name and he is signed through 2010, so unless he gets injured, or re-traded, he will give you 45 starts or so Why can't I expect them to do what they've done for 5 straight seasons by finishing strong? Why shouldn't I expect an 86 win team to be even better with huge strides from Michael Bourn and Hunter Pence, as well as having some better offense at C?
hah, nah...he has a great point. our future has the guaranteed perennial playoff appearances in it led by jason castro and bud norris. you can't give that up for a non-guaranteed playoff appearance.
If this is true we probably have NO CHANCE... 2:04pm: MLB.com's Ken Gurnick passes on comments Dodgers GM Ned Colletti made this morning on KABC Radio. Colletti says the Jays want two or three current Dodgers, including a young pitcher, or five or six prospects.
let's face it, no matter how much we debate, there are no indications that we are going to make an attempt anyway. but, we've basically been mentioning 5 prospect deals in this thread: norris, castro, lyles, then something like paronto and another marginal guy. i don't think toronto expects 5 or 6 blue chip prospects.
I did in fact watch the 2006 playoffs. I believe that team won so w/o making any significant moves in the regular season. If this Astros team does the same if would be just as good a story as that year's Cards. Also, I do in fact know Halladay has one more year left. I meant his 10 starts <b>this year </b> would guarantee nothing as far as playoffs are concerned. Also, you mention Pence and Bourn, I'll add to your list Tejada as players who're playing out of their minds if you compare their #s from last year. But Pence has already fallen off the pace for a whole month (he's batting .207 over that span i believe). If Tejada and Bourn fall off even a little bit, we'll be in trouble, even with Oswalt and Halladay. Listen, at the end of the day, we're all Astros fans. I'll still be giddy as hell if were to land Holladay. I just dont think it'll be a good idea to sell all prospects for this year in particular. I just think we've got way too many holes to fill to go for it all this year.
After Tuesday I doubt they will take Paronto lol... I honestly think they will ask for 5 or 6 good prospects there playing bigtime Hardball because realistically they can do this again next season if nothing happens next Friday.
Thats hilarious. No way would the Blue Jays get anything close to that, and if they were asking for that much then they shouldn't have even said he was available.
they'd be insane not to trade him now though. 100% chance that they would get more now than in the offseason or before next year's deadline.
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We do not have the financial wherewithal to sign him to the contract he will command. It would be a rental.
Interesting article....Wade said last week no trades would happen this week he says.... "We'll continue to make the calls to other clubs and have the dialogue and have internal dialogue with our scouts to see if there's something sensible out there. But, again, I don't want to raise expectations because the club is playing better right now that, that necessarily changes the overall dynamics." and "But you just have to face your situation against the backdrop of reality, and the reality from an economic standpoint and from a talent standpoint is that we're committed basically to the players that are here. Now if something comes along that we think is too good to pass up and fits what we're capable of doing then we're willing to do something like that. Last year LaTroy Hawkins came along that we traded a kid from the system and the Yankees took back a bunch of money and that worked out very well for us. Basically it means they will look into stuff but nothing big... http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2009/07/wade_and_berkma.html
Stop believin everything that you hear......Uncle Drayton can shell out 100 million to carlos, and 75 mil to oswalt, then he can sign halladay Here's why the Astros should try and trade for Halladay: 1) Halladay is only 32, which is young for a pitcher...Oswalt and Halladay would make for a nasty 1-2 punch combination, with Wandy, Moehler, and Hampton to follow 2) Halladay is a rare commodity, and he is a proven winner...Trade Towles, Lyhles, Trinidad, Bogusevic, and Bazardo
First of all, I doubt Drayton would throw out money to RH. And secondly, would RH resign here? And dont say "well if you throw the bank at him he will", because its no guarentee he will. As for your offer, Toronto would probably laugh in your face and hang up. Besides Lyles and Bogusevic, nothing else is good on the table. You'd have to throw in a Hunter Pence, and Bud Norris, along with Lyles and Bogusevic, along with maybe another 1-2 prospects.
