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Rockets will draft Dunleavy as #1 if Ming falls through

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TroyBaros, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Knew him personally? Well since you know him personally, why don't you tell him that most fans don't think he is an intelligent guy that should be making decisions about a team. In fact, I think Steve is just plain unknowledgeable about a lot of things and everytime he opens his mouth it adds to his legacy of ignorance.

    Hmmm, lets see. 1. He is obviously not the smartest point in the league as most people here can agree on. As far as controlling the tempo goes, his bball IQ is pretty low and shows no signs of improvement from his rookie year. 2. He's a horrible interviewee...I'm embarrassed for him whenever he has to speak in front of a camera. Can you say speaking lessons? 3. Steve and his great bball talent scouting abilities thought that Terrence Morris was worth a 1st round draft pick. Hmmm. It isn't much of a shock that he wants to burn our #1 pick for a player that habitually smokes weed(which isn't really that bad but it is in the NBA if he can't play 5 games at a time) and HASN'T proven anything in the league even though he's been here 3 years...has been hurt a lot of the time...and has shown NO improvement in his game- this being Odom.........He wants this guy over a 7'5" true Center that can shoot, rebound, block shots, be the force in the middle, pass well...WITHOUT turning the ball over every other time he passes it(see steve and Odom), and is humble, willing and eager to learn, and has an entire country hoping he does well...and he won't let them down.

    The NBA is all run and gun now uh? Arent these run and gun teams all being beat by the lakers...a half court offensive team? I don't know how long troy has been watching bball but a good half court team will always beat a "run and gun" team. Thats not what I want the Rockets to do. I'm starting to think that Troy is steve. If this is the case, Steve...Plz get your head out of your ass young man. I love ya, but you don't know what it takes to win if you want odom over ming. If you want to cry and whine before even considering what ming will bring to this team then you can shove it up your sigmoid colon and try to poo it out.

    PS: Ming runs well, shoots well, and PASSES well...He can run and gun and play half court...what more do you want? Sheesh...:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Franchize3

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    I agree with you 100% Troy. Stay strong.
     
  3. tozai

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    DCKid--Your "expert" evaluation of Caron makes me laugh. I'd like to see you say these things in 2 years buddy...Probably saw like one or two games of his
     
  4. TroyBaros

    TroyBaros "Special" Friend of Steve Francis

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    Now finally someone else figures out what Steve has concerns for.
    I told you guys I can't post it all but I can post some to the extent that smart people like Rocketbooster can figure it out.

    Here is one to examine...say the Rockets do draft Ming and China directly after the draft says Yao cannot play in the Nba till January...You think just because a contract was signed means he comes or else? China when it comes to negotiations stinks to high heaven....Confucious (possibe misspell) say "Man who sign paper not always read the folded page"
     
  5. NJRocket

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    Very scary thought.
     
  6. moomoo

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    Hmmm...Maybe TroyBaros really is Steve. Steve has been known to refer to himself in the third person before, at least in a couple of interviews. So Steve, in the guise of a poster named TroyBaros, referring to Steve in the third person doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch, does it?

    TroyBaros registered in July 2001. Steve joined the team before then, didn't he?

    Hmmmm....I guess we'll never know (whether TroyBaros is really Steve)...
     
  7. Deckard

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    I like the Confucius reference, Troy. You could apply that wisdom to a lot of what's flying around here. ;)
     
  8. bigboymumu

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    Tozai-
    I don't know how unspectacular Caron is,but he is not worthy of a number one pick. You and Troy have the audacity to second guess Ming when both of your preferences come with baggage that they have caused. Kids, drugs, criminal records.... You dare bring up baggage?
     
  9. RocketsPimp

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    Troy, I know where you are trying to come from because the main reason I was against(and am now hesitantly onboard the Ming Express) selecting Yao was because of all of the potential political headaches involved, but you can't break ground without putting people to work. The Rockets have put their best men to work and have made a substantial amount of progress in a short period of time. True they still need to work out the details that both parties can understand and agree on in one universal language(money).

    Your example is once again pure speculation. I already asked you this but you didn't respond...do you seriously believe that an entire government would risk their biggest chance to have their best basketball player performing on the worlds largest stage for the sport??

    Also, what do you know about negotiations with China?? Visiting the local Oriental "massage parlor" and "negotiating a rub down" doesn't count.
     
  10. X-PAC

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    Yo, Nutty Professor errr TroyBaros thanks for your adept analysis of the situation. But Goldberg has returned with word that once/if commitments are made by the set deadline Ming will be available for the season+playoffs so that in return Ming can participate on the Chinese National Team.

    Perhaps if you approached the topic unbiased then your posts wouldn't be met with so much scorn.
     
  11. bigboymumu

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    There are over a billion people in China. Their government has better things to do! Alot was made about cable and Internet companies going to China. Wall Street analysts worried about intervention from the government. After a few companies developed partners in China, business went as planned. These analyst were wrong and now clients wonder why these analyst didn't worry more about the business in the US. What did I learn from these analyst? I learned that the big problems are normally caused at home(ie Steve) and these problems often blind side those in charge.
     
  12. AzCkR

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    i dont think it really matters what they say if China tells Ming to come back more than likely he will. i dunno but i think i heard yao is really pro china and communism.
     
  13. RocketsPimp

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    Do you have any links to support that rumor?
     
  14. tozai

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    When did I say Caron is worthy of the #1? When did I say we should trade down and get Caron? I didn't...When did I have the audacity to second guess Ming...Actually I am surprised you have the audacity not to second guess Ming...I'm not going to get in a whole Pro v Anti Ming argument, but I have the right to second guess Ming's immediate impact because that's ridiculous to think he's going to handle an 82 game season so great. If Yao wasn't in this draft, Caron would be worthy of the #1. He is as much of a sure thing as any player this year anyways and he has the greatest chance to make an immediate impact, sorry if you disagree. Bringing up the past is pathetic because it is so obvious that he is over it. Refer to any story, interview, or profile of Caron. Caron has been over his past for YEARS, he moved on but obviously people like you cannot. All I said was how hilarious that it was that DCKid so confidently bashes Caron even though he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. A POOR MAN's RON ARTEST...are you kidding me...whatever you want to say, bring this back up at the end of the season and we'll see who's laughing
     
  15. TroyBaros

    TroyBaros "Special" Friend of Steve Francis

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    It is not a rumor Ming is extremely dedicated to his Chinese goverment.
    Goverment says Ming jump, Ming say How high.

    Just because Rockets lawyers state they have worked it out so he can play all season does not mean squat.
    China wants Ming back for any reason he will go back.
     
  16. ROXTXIA

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    Now, Troy, you're getting just a bit ignorant.

    This is going way beyond the pale. Telling us Steve doesn't want Yao Ming, OK, fine; but you need a little more understanding to come in here and ramble about pro-Chinese gov't and Ming's true opinions, etc and so forth.
     
  17. bigboymumu

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    Well , well, well....

    When did I say Caron is worthy of the #1?

    Caron would be worthy of the #1. He is as much of a sure thing as any player this year anyways and he has the greatest chance to make an immediate impact

    You definitely implied it. If you don't agree, I guess you said it now!

    When did I say we should trade down and get Caron?

    Uhh, what are you talking about? Did a little birdie ask you that?


    When did I have the audacity to second guess Ming...Actually I am surprised you have the audacity not to second guess Ming...

    You don't say that but you defend the notion. Basically, you are implying it!



    By the way, in your other posts on a different thread you implied Odom would be better for the Rockets. I guess his past doesn't count either. I guess his professionalism does not matter. The past is usually indicative of the future. Ming is a professional. He has been a champion on every level (excluding Olympics) and he will be on this level.
     
  18. X-PAC

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    If there was any question about where Ming wants to be...


    Unfortunately you don't seem to be capable of backing your conspiracy theory of the Chinese real intent to just put Ming in the draft solely to screw the Rockets over. Imagine that...
     
  19. RocketsPimp

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    I'm sure he is dedicated but you still haven't shown us squat. Communism is a form of government, not a mindset. He may live in a communist country, but that doesn't mean the Chinese authorities won't honor a contract with the NBA that they have spent valuable time and worked so hard to get Ming involved in. You seem to think that Yao will just throw everything he has worked hard for out the window if China gets a bug up their ass and renigs on their word(an important thing in a country that places a great deal of value in honor). You also seem to think the Rockets lawyer, the Shanghai Sharks and the Chinese government are all collectively blowing smoke up the entire world's asses by saying that Ming will be available for all NBA situations once the Asian Games are over through the next Summer Olympics.

    You're really grabbing at straws Troy.
     
  20. TroyBaros

    TroyBaros "Special" Friend of Steve Francis

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    No ignorance is what you believe when you read the papers or news wires..
    Chinese goverment stinks always has .A majority of the people who live in China fear the goverment because of the power they have and the ability to control peoples lives.
    I do not need any understanding how the Chinese goverment works. If you understood anything from past post from others as well MING is very loyal to his goverment.
    China tells Ming not just yet Ming will obey.

    Let me give you some tidbit you did not read in the papers or on tv....Real Sports did an interview with Yao Ming almost a year ago which went very well but it took HBO and Bryant gumble with some help from the Nba 7 months to convince China to allow them to do the piece on him.

    China's biggest fear right now as it stands is American influence that will convince Ming to defect. and from then on we not only have news about the latest sports scores but serious threats on one of our players from the Chinese for his defection if it did happen.

    Alot quote he is just a player for China and why would they go to great lengths to get him back.
    For one in China he is every little boy and girls idol who love the game of basketball,He brings much happiness to China and makes China money....
    Now he is not just a player but an Icon to them so if they want him back no matter what was signed China will find a way to get him back.

    We do not need this headache nor should we expose our players to such political problems that could totally disrupt a team.
     

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