No other player in the NBA has QUIT on his team in a game. Name one. Oh, and what about Orlando????? Thanks. Keep supporting a quitter who pouts when he can't control the offense. Who leaves his teammates out to dry playing 4 on 5 because he is UPSET. Thanks for playing and keep supporting that quitter.
LOL wow. Vince Carter quit on his team, Wade did, KG did in 07, why wouldn't you when you're playing for a 20 win team that has surrounded you with terrible crap year after....once that loosing streak happened, there was no hope, get got hurt, and that's the end of that in '04.
You know I care less about Tmac. But the OP made a point in saying this was a charity side appreciation, not on the court. He is simply admiring the help Tmac is giving Dafur, not the help he is giving the Rockets. Enough said honestly.
Well I can name a lot but since you said one I'll say one that is a superstar K.G. Yeah remember the time when he was with the T'Wolves. Hmmmmm Yeah it hurts i know. Its funny how a McGrady thread can generate so many haters. I don't see nothing wrong for guys who wish another player success to return because he was hurt. If its wrong for rooting for a player to return to the court then IDK.
He didn't quit IN A GAME on his team because he was upset. Comparing one of the hardest working players on the court with the heart of a lion to TMac, a guy who quit on his team in a game because he was upset is ridiculous. I don't care about his crap in Orlando...I'm talking about the Toronto game as a Rocket. Nice try.
Okay, I will happily give him props for the Darfur effort. It is extremely generous and classy of him to do. He deserves praise for it But I get tired of all of the TMac man-lovers who continue to support a guy who bailed on this ROCKETS team
i know what game your talking about because the Toronto game is the only game McGrady doubters bring up. The Bucks game also. But I would like to know if you were in his shoes how would you have played if your knee was messed up?? how would you run or jump?? Funny how guys say he has no heart but if a person didn't have heart that person wouldn't have been able to play. What he did showed he had heart because knowing his situation he was willing to fight the pain and go out and try to play. Now if that isn't heart then idk what is.
It wasn't his knee that game, cheif. Check out his post game interviews. And please explain to me how a hurt knee has ANYTHING to do with (for 3 STRAIGHT POSESSIONS) walking ONE FOOT inside the HALF court line and watching your team play 4 on five, and when they pass you the ball because you are open, you IMMEDIATELY fling the ball away to a double covered person, then refuse to defend on the other side. Hell, even Worrell and Bullard, two PAID employees, said they had NEVER seen anything like it. After the game..."I just get frustrated when I don't get the ball in my hands" Q-U-I-T-T-E-R If the Bucks game was where he missed the dunk, then that was the knee. I don't care about that and am not talking about that. The Toronto game had nothing to do with his bad knee and everything to do with his bad heart
Go look at Dwayne Wade's 2006-2007 season, Kobe Bryants 2004-2005, KG's 2006-2007 season, Vince Carter's 2003-2004 season, Shaq for multiple seasons in Miami. Everybody has their bad points in their career...and how do you know how hard Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett work?? I am just curious to know that...are you their trainer, are you a part of the Rockets staff? Are you an employee who works with Tmac everyday?? Honestly, how in the world do you assume such things?? The man was playing on one leg last year...on that break away dunk by Moon, why risk injuring somebody when you're down by 20?? I'm sure the entire team was frustrated with how he was playing, but it was ONE GAME. I remember a game vs. the Lakers in 2006-2007 season where Phil Jackson purposly got himself ejected, and Kobe Bryant left for the lockerroom for no apparent reason at the start of the 4th quarter, since his team was being blown out by a Yao-less Rockets team. (same game as the Luther dunk over Turiaf). Are you calling Kobe a quiter now based on one game??
tracy was terrible last yr. but if you think what he did was bad, it isn't even close to kobe's quitting in a game 7 v. phoenix when he didn't have shaq/pau and then throwing his teammates under the bus PUBLICLY.
Unfortunately for McGrady, he doesn't have half of what Garnett and Kobe do in their tanks so he's not exactly in a position of strength here... And anyway, we Rockets fans have higher standards. Hero Mad Max quit and he got RUN.
I love how all of you skirt around the facts. He QUIT IN THE GAME on the team. I have NEVER seen a player walk one foot inside the half court line, stand there while he team struggles to play 4 on 5 and who immediately passes the ball the second his teammates try to pass to him. 3 straight posessions before Adelman pulled him. All the while, the Rockets-paid announcers are complaining about it and saying they have NEVER witnessed something like this. Let's not forget how, during that same series, he stopped and let Moon throw down a jam. Thank God he got benched for the rest of the game. It's indisputable...and he even ADMITTED it was because he was "frustrated because we were running the Adelman offense and not just watching him make plays with the ball". GREAT teammate I'm not saying he wasn't hurt last year. I don't blame him AT ALL for our playoff failures. I don't think he is the reason why he has never been past the first round. I always defended him...UNTIL HE QUIT on the ROX. And no, I have never heard of an NBA player doing that. And if I recall correctly, there was a reason why Kobe Bryant left that game in the 4th.
And I am done debating with the TMac fan club. Feel free to forgive him for quitting on his team and leaving his teammates out to dry. I will part with this...please tell me your thoughts on the interview with TMAc this season (post injury) about how he wasn't really motivated. I mean, $23 million dollars but having motivational issues...first round failures but having motivational issues...an entire city of fans depending on you to step up but having motivational issues... You guys only see talent and look past more important characteristics...you should all apply to be the GM of the Yankees. Done here. Once again, I applaud his Darfur efforts but will never forgive him for being a quitter.
like i said, tracy was terrible both on and off the court. he could have handled his injury and whatever much more professionally. he didn't. and the backlash he has received is warranted. i can understand if fellow fans turn on him. that's understandable. but like i said, tracy has fought through injuries every year in houston bravely, and basically played the year before v. the jazz on 2 injuries that required surgery and didn't whine at all. he's done a lot for this team, but get out of the first round. one pathetic season isn't going to diminish the good. let's see what he has left next yr, as he's more likely to stay with us.
What was Kobe's reason for leaving the game?? Was it possibly because his team got blown out by 25 points by a Rockets team that didn't have Yao, and with Tmac having a bad shooting night? http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200701100HOU.html I don't recall Kobe having any type of big injury that year... What you say about Tmac in the Toronto game is true, he quit on ONE game, and as far as what he's said afterwards...you can't defend him there, he's said some pretty dumb stuff over the years. But he's paid to play basketball, he's not paid to talk so I can careless about what he says. All I know is that the ENTIRE team was playing horrible minus Scola and Wafer, and we were never really in the game to a lousy Toronto team. The entire team was frustrated, including Tmac. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200901020TOR.html Maybe he wanted to get out of the game because his knee was hurt, but he knew he wouldn't hear the end of it from the fans and the media if he took himself out. But like I stated earlier, he'll get the blame no matter what he does. But I'm not Tmac so I really don't know to be honset. All I know is that when your body is killing you and your team is down by 20 to a worthless Toronto team, your not gonna wanna risk further injuring it in a game where you're entire team is clearly out of it, and what he said after the game is him just making stupid remarks...everybody knows he says stupid things. And like I said about the dunk, no need to risk injuring another player in mid air when your down by 20+ points, and your team just doesn't want it that night. Let him go...its one game.
I would love to see you try to play a sport recreationally with a knee that requires microfracture surgery...bet it wouldn't be so easy to give a 110% night in and night out...lol. Its so easy to critique others when you havent been in their shoes.
Yeah he is a quitter. Hell after a bad game everyone is a quitter. He quit because he was injured. If your calling him a quitter cause he was hurt and could only go has far has his body would let him then by all means you are correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceLlz7dOOvY I mean, he cant possibly be a quitter right?? I know this is just ONE game, but this ONE game shuold define his entire career or should we let the ONE Toronto game define his career?? I mean, Blake, you walking away from this debate seems more like a quitter's attitude to me...all you have to do is think and type a few sentances! Maybe even do a little research...nothing strenuous on an injured body part. But I'll just label you a quitter since you quit on ONE task in your life...does that seem reasonably fair to you?? Obviously, it should to you, since you know, ONE thing can define a person's career/life. How would you like to deal with that after work or school everyday?? I mean, imagine if your boss told you this: "Forget all the good you've done for us over the years....that last Thursday, you showed up to work and you just didn't give a 110% on that ordinary day. Who knows, maybe you didn't get enough sleep, or you were terribly sick, or maybe it was personal problems, but whatever it was, I didn't like it! Therefore, I'm gonna label you a quitter from now on, even though you led us through some tough times, without much help, and you continued to lead us through adversity and being short-staffed, but you gave it your all, fought through any issues going on in your life, you never committed any crimes, were solid citizen without a spot on your record, but since you didn't give a 110% that ONE REGULAR DAY last Thursday at work, I'm NEVER gonna forgive and forget that, and I'm gonna call you a quitter from now on..." You probably wouldn't like that...hell, nobody would! Thats basically what your telling Tracy McGrady if you were his boss, doesn't sound all that fair if you ask me or anybody who's ever worked before.
Actually, not that I'm disagreeing or anything, but in addition to the big three you mentioned, I would also say Chris Paul is a better playmaker and scorer at this point, though I don't know about defense.
I definitely agree with you on that...he's a top 5 overall player. But I was comparing wing players, who don't have to run the offense the entire game. There's certain things Chris Paul can and can't do at 6'3 controlling the ball 95% of the game, just like there are certain things that Tmac can and can't do as a long 6'8 playing on and off the ball. If it was based on overall talent, then CP3, DWIll, Steve Nash, and post players would definitely be mentioned as well.
