[CBS Sports] Mavs Working Out Sign-and-Trade with Toronto for Marion

As the arms race escalates, the more inclined I am to see the Rockets become sellers and rebuild from scratch.

 

Wow . . . just, wow. This could be an absolute coup for the Mavericks.

The only way I see this getting done is if Marion is signed-and-traded to the Mavs for Jerry Stackhouse's partially guaranteed contract (along with cash and a future pick). Stackhouse is slated to make over $7M next season (hence, the ability to sign-and-trade Marion to anything close to what he'd want), but only $2M of that salary is guaranteed. This is the closest the Raptors can come to "not taking back salary".

The hang-up with this deal, however, is that the resulting $2M less in cap space the Raptors have to sign Turkoglu will end up costing Hedo as much as $11,733,201.92 over the life of his 5-year deal with Toronto.

Somehow, I don't see Hedo agreeing to this. Toronto may be a nicer city than Portland to live in if you're Turkish, but it ain't $11.7M+ nicer.

 

STEIN_LINE_HQ Mavericks offering up their Jerry Stackhouse chip in a sign-and-trade for Shawn Marion.

http://bit.ly/tNFC

 

Perhaps Memphis could make some money for handling the paperwork on Stackhouse's contract.

 

Oops. Forgot that annual raises don't compound. So this S&T would "only" cost Turkoglu $11.6M off the value of his total contract. I still don't see him and his agent agreeing to this. If the Raptors follow through with this S&T, Portland may want to dust off that contract offer for Hedo.

 

I called this back in March. But anyway, this could make the Mavericks SERIOUS. I don't know if it puts them in the same boat as the Lakers or Spurs but Marion is absolutely lethal when surrounded by stars in the "team garbageman" role.

Ugghhhh.....the Ponies getting better while we're rolling around in the mud getting stomped on. Enough to make you sick.

 

Exactly. Or a team could take a guy like Roko Ukic or Patrick O'Bryant off their books using, say, a $2m trade exception. The Rockets, for instance, could do that.

 

Great deal for mavs if it's not crazy money. He'll be great for matchups against the nuggets, lakers, blazers, hell most of the West playoff teams. He can cover 2, 3, and 4's depending on who it is, alleviating Dirk of getting roasted on D.

Cuban wants a serious title push in the next few years in the Nowitzki era, Dirk can become a free agent after 2011. Resigned Kidd, signed Gortat, and now wants Marion.

 

good call on what it would cost hedo. Although couldn't the raptors sign marion to a deal and then include Patrick O'Bryant or Kris Humphries (adding up to 7.975 mil--that's the max if it's a 10% leeway on stack's salary)?

Then they are cutting 1.62 or 3.2 mil out of their books, giving them that room still to sign Hedo--to a slightly lesser deal if it's O'Bryant, or the same deal as before if it's Humphries

 

First off, I live in S.E. Portland. Most players who live in Oregon reside in cities like West Linn, or Lake Oswego. These cities are wealthy, small towns a little ways outside of Portland.

 

I would expect Marion to be dealt to the Mavs because Dallas has enough time to work the phones and push salary numbers around in spreadsheets to find a solution.

 

Honestly I don't see how this is any different from the Mavericks' previous strategies of the past five years. Trying to become the Yankees of the NBA by acquiring aging veteran talent on the downside of their careers didn't work in baseball, and it won't work in basketball. The Mavs will only go as far as Dirk takes them, and at his extreme peak he was still not enough for them to win it all. Mark Cuban is a laughable owner of a baseball ERR basketball franchise. I guess it's all that repressed frustration at not being able to get the Cubs coming out.

 

The idea isn't to do Marion for Stackhouse straight up, since that actually adds $2 mil to Toronto's payroll.

It would have to be a multi-player thing where Toronto includes either Marcus Banks or Kris Humphries with Marion, which would mean the addition of someone like Antoine Wright or Devean George from Dallas, who get flipped elsewhere. Toronto would then have an overall reduction in payroll making room for not only Turkoglu, but also Carlos Delfino or Linus Klieza.

Further, teams like Memphis or OKC could actually take a guy like Humphries and $3 mil cash, making hm a free player for the season.

Orlando has said they don't want to do a S&T for Marion in any way - but that's not to say they wouldn't do something that maybe brigs them Anthony Parker and Devean George - two good depth guys. Toronto would then only need $4~5 mil in capspace to absorb Turkoglu, which would allow them to retain the MLE as well.

Orlando has only the MLE and minimum deals to add players, but if they could pluck a coupel of cheaper guys from other teams (Wright, George, etc) they might be of more value than FAs available. It's in their interest to at least listen to offers.

 

My comment was not intended to be a knock on the Greater Portland area. It was more a reference to Toronto being a much more international city with a large Turkish population. Objectively speaking, Toronto is one of the world's most international cities. For instance, Hakeem signed with the Raptors primarily due to his love of the city and its prominent Muslim population.

 

The Raptors are trying to cut down and make space for Hedo. Why would they want take back salaries just to give in to the needs of the Mavs. I do not see it happening.

 

Cool. Another Rockets fan in Portland!

If the Mavs get Marion and Gortat they're a legit team again and I take back my statements that Kidd's contract is too much from the other thread. They basically have a 1-2 year window to win a Chip and I'd say there chances are as good as any other elite team i.e Lakers, Spurs, Cavs, Magic, Celtics. Nice job by Cuban.

Ughh **** DALLAS!

 

I think they take back non-guaranteed salaries.

 

Who are they? ( non-guaranteed salaries ) I believe the Mavs wants to get rid of Stackhouse and Dampier. The article says that the Raptors are reluctant to take back salaries.

 

Kidd
Howard
Marion
Dirk
Gortat

J. Terry 6th man of the year again. Barrea can run the Mavs offense. Bass is an energy/garbage man that gets boards and easy buckets like Landry. Hollins and Damp are serviceable big bodies. Devean George another veteran that brings championship experience.

Damn that's a nice roster.