No...but people have been making an issue out of the weight of Yao Ming. I think the "poundage per inch" thing can show Yao Ming is not as weak as some people think. Not some sort of relevance when judging talent though.
Didn't Hakeem also have troubles with Sabonis? And, why isn't Yao compared to Sabonis more often? Sabonis had a good outside game, was 7-4, and was foreign.
"No...but people have been making an issue out of the weight of Yao Ming. I think the "poundage per inch" thing can show Yao Ming is not as weak as some people think. Not some sort of relevance when judging talent though." Weight does not = strength. It equals leverage, but if he doesn't have the strength for a post up game it won't give him anything.
Ok, based on what NYKRULE (our clutchcity scout expert) says, we can now conclude that Yao Ming does not have the strength for a post up game. NYKRULE has been scouting Yao Ming for the last ten years. I know he saw things which all other NBA scouts couldnt see. Thanks NYKRULE.
And this is just another ploy by NYKRule to prove that Ming is the biggest bust in NBA history even though he hasn't played one second of basketball, and NYKRule hasn't seen Ming play one second of basketball.
Look, the bottom line with Ming is that he is comparable to an overly skilled HS player (and that might be undervaluing him). Most high school players coming into the NBA really are not ready for the NBA pounding and usually have to put on more muscle. Ming is no different. Why should we hold it against him? He has a decent lower body so we know the guy can "fill out". Why not give him some time to do so? Why slag on him because his upper body is not filled out yet when so many players coming into the NBA are the same way. Heck even Griffin is trying to put on more weight. While Ming might be equal in some respects to other HS players coming into the NBA in terms of "muscle mass", Ming is FAR superior to MOST HS players in terms of footwork, agility, and overall offensive game. That will be his strength in the NBA from the get go. So what I am saying here? He has the tools to compete now for the most part but also has a lot of upside. He just needs time. Just like the Kwame Brown's, Eddie Curry's, Tyson Chandler's etc etc. Chris
A little bit harsh but I agree that poundage per inch has to be one of the more irrelevant stats you can ever find ...
"we can now conclude that Yao Ming does not have the strength for a post up game." "Weight does not = strength. It equals leverage, but IF he doesn't have the strength for a post up game it won't give him anything." That's a little clearer. Don't put words in my mouth.
Oh, and one more thing, "Tim Duncan 260 lbs/84 inches = 3.095 Alonzo Mourning 261 lbs/82 inches = 3.182 Adonal Foyle 265/82 inches = 3.231" Another reason why this is flawed.
I think the point he is trying to make is just because he looks tall and skinny doesn't make him tall and skin. The guy has some weight and power to go along with him. At 296 pounds you do have some natural power, and it's tough for most any center to push a 296 pound guy out of the block, even for Shaq. It takes a lot of energy and effort to that for 48 minutes.
I am glad I don't have to worry about training or re-training him or being pounded by others myself. I leave that to the pros and Yao himself. I would just enjoy the game and the chance/change Rockets will have when he arrives. Don't worry. Be happy!
My point was, under his "formula" Adonal Foyle should push around Tim Duncan and Alonzo Mourning. "Poundage per inch" obviously does not equal strength. We'll just have to wait and see to see how strong he actually is.
It depends. Cato is about the same weight and he causes Duncan problem with his weight and power. Duncan just has so many different moves, and is pretty quick thus he negates it. Guys like Mason used to give Hakeem trouble with their size and weight, same with Ostertag, but Hakeem made up for it with speed and skill. The formula, in theory, works as long as you have the skills to go along with your weight. The "formula" doesn't work with Adonal Foyle and Duncan because Foyle doesn't have the skills to neutralize Duncan. But you give Foyle some perimeter shooting, shot-blocking, rebounding, speed and extra height and it's a different story. Look at the defense that Divac played on Shaq just using size, weight and positioning.
Giving Foyle that makes him a good player, but doesn't necessarily make him a good post player. Of course Ming's height and weight will give people troubles. I still have a hard time believing his upper body strength is anything more than trivial (ex: every HS player). Divac didn't do that great on Shaq using his size, weight, and positioning. He flopped and flopped and flopped. Thats what you have to do to beat Shaq. For now atleast.
Sorry I have misinterpreted what you have said. You have my apology. Still, I dont think it's nice of you to say "its just another ploy by panda to prove that Yao Ming is infact the greatest basketball player in the world without playing in an NBA game." That guy was just trying to give us another perspective to look at the strength of Yao Ming compared with other NBA centers anyway. What kind of poly is that?
It's not strength or weight. It's strength and weight. More of one will help balance a lack of the other.
And "footwork/quickness"! Robert 'Tractor' Trailor of the Hornets has lots of strength and weight but his footwork sucks and thus makes his size pretty much irrelivant. Chris
Absolutely. Their are a myriad of factors(also height, knowledge of opponents, officials, techniques, etc.) that determine a players ability to play post defense. I think Ming's biggest problem might be style of play. He can't be used to the wrestling match that goes on in the paint in the NBA. It will take time for him to adjust his attitude toward guarding other players in the post.
