i guarantee you that if the lakers could have shane as their starting SF they would take him over whoever played that role for them this year. youre ignoring so many aspects of how to build a successful TEAM. everythign rudy does, tracy did better. at the time you needed a player with shane's skillset much more than you needed rudy. AND you got to dump salary in the process. you say you watched rudy in college yet think he could develop into a good defender? nothing about the way he played/plays should make you think that. defense is about effort, intensity, playing intelligently, and understanding team aspects of basketball. rudy has never been anything more than a gifted athlete with potential and "raw tools". he's underachieved his talent at every level, and never seemed to care about it. especially on defense. plus he doesnt move laterally well enough to stay in front of most people his size. shane was brought here as a complimentary piece. in other words, he was brought here to make life easier for tracy and yao. he spaces the floor for yao because he's an efficient shooter. thats a player you need to have around yao much moreso than you need rudy. shane takes defensive assignments that would have otherwise been tracy's. thats a role you needed much more than you need rudy. plus, i cant say it much simpler than this: rudy just isnt that good!!! get over it already. all he does is chase stats on a bad team, and his stats arent even that great.
Um, no. You see, Ariza Odom and Vujacic are all winners, Battier is not. They've each won the championship, Battier hasn't even gotten past the 2nd round. Therefore, those 3 players are automatically better than Battier, as are Mickael Pietrus, Tony Allen, James Posey, Raja Bell, and a whole host of other SF's who have 'won' more than Battier. Seriously though, I can't believe you would go there. Do you really not see how inconsistent your arguments are?
I love Battier, and don't want to blow this team up. If all is true I would have to strongly consider what you are saying
Battier is/was/will NEVER be more valuable then a #3 pick in any draft BEFORE the selections are made!! You are basing your statement only on knowledge AFTER seeing certain players play for couple of years. The pick in itself and the player's performance later are two completely different issues.
i understand what you are trying to say, but you really are picking at a minor nit. regardless that those guys won a championship and battier hasn't, he is still a better basketball player that contributes more to the ROCKETS as they are constructed than rudy gay would have. the lakers have tried to get battier from the rockets before, because they know he's pretty much ideal for any team thats built around the inside-out dominant big+dominant guard model. so yes, i know what you mean, but i dont consider it an inconsistency. we are talkig about the rockets here. i only brought up the lakers because of the guy who said battier could not be a starting 3 on a championship team, despite the fact that the lakers wanted to get him to be the starting 3 on their team for the past couple of years.
You don't find these two statements inconsistent? Why would the Lakers, the NBA champions, take Battier over the SF's they already have? Come on, explain it to me, how much are they suffering with Ariza, Odom, Vujacic, etc.? And you say Battier contributes more to the Rockets than Gay would have. Just out of curiosity, how many SF's are there who would contribute more than Battier, and who are they? Would you have balked if Milwaukee offered Jefferson straight up for Battier (disregard the salary cap)?
I know you are new here, but this question has been explored thoroughly and there is no reason to continue destroying this thread with this off topic nonsense
If ya'll reread my last couple posts I think you'll get my point. I was being sarcastic (mostly), Battier is better than Vujacic. Nowhere near as good (or valuable or whatever synonym you want to use) as Odom though, and probably not Ariza either.
no. they wanted him before the 2007 season, and again before the 2008 season. why don't you ask them why they wanted battier over all of those guys? maybe because he's a better basketball player than all of them, especially at his salary level. rumblings in LA were that they wanted to trade us Odom for him, in case you dont remember. (i dont consider odom a 3 on that team, though.) he's certianly better than ariza, vujacic, walton, etc. anyway. you can't disregard the cap. otherwise the answer to this question is LeBron. but in fairness to the intent of your question, i dont know. it depends who is on this team going into next year. if you have artest, you dont need richard jefferson, especially at his salary level. if i had a choice of any "reasonably priced" small forward, i think my list probably includes players like battier, gerald wallace, ron artest, danny granger, and brandan wright. i think above all else the rockets succeed with versatility, both offensively and defensively, and all of those players seem to contribute in multiple ways. unlike rudy, who pretty much gets you points, but only when he feels like it.
ok, i know, and i'm sorry. i just hate it when posters on this bbs make statements like "we all know the battier trade was bad" or whatever, so i always take the time to point out that it's not the case, and why. i'll let it die now. back to offseason news+rumors then.
My god move on folks, who gives a crap how much we could of gotten for Rudy, nothings going to change, WHO CARES WE HAVE SHANE.
Minnesota turned down Rockets offer for Rubio. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...n_draft_night_rich_magic_cavs_get.html?page=2 http://blogs.commercialappeal.com/t...griz-fail-to-land-randolph-and-much-more.html
HA, I knew Morey would offer Brooks and Battier for Rubio. That's the best I will give so we can safely say goodbye to Rubio.
We should trade mcgrady for something because it's better than nothing as in sidelinedinjuried this info is great by the way
We aren't getting Rubio, non contending teams don't want Shane, only a selected few teams want Tmac (most offers so far are trash), Brooks trade value is not high right now. Sadly the best trade assests we have Today is Yao, Scola and any teams wanting our 2nd round picks. I believe our biggest highlight is re-signing Artest.
