Yeah, I love how everything is so dramatic and soap opera-esque to these people. Players don't just have bad games because the other guy happened to outperform them. Oh no, it always has to be that they choked under the pressure or 'quit' on the team or something.
I still believe McGrady will be there to close out our next big games! Like others said, I think we won't get anything back in a trade comparable to his "potential" value.
Epic post. I agree with the sentiment. If TMac tries to rush coming back from his injury at all, we're going to have another disappointing, dramatic period that is going to piss all of us off again. If we don't trade him, best case scenario is that he comes back in late December/early January. Any earlier than that and he'll be too out of shape; any later and he'll mess up our chemistry at a key moment. I also hope that if he makes his comeback and is unable to play at a decent level that he (and more importantly the front office) decides that he shouldn't be part of the rotation. No games, no bull****. Go out quietly like Stevie did.
When Scola or Shane or Ron have bad games, there is a difference... Tracy has a rich history with this kind of stuff... "You should not be scared of playing bad, you should be scared of not playing hard." Luis Scola ---------------------------------------------------- Is anyone else praying for RIP and Tay?
mcgrady was younger and obviously more nieve(forgive my spelling) when he made those comments. kind of like the "its on me" sig he got stamped with when we lost to the jazz in 07. i kno for a fact that Vince said the exact same thing about the toronto raptors before he was traded to the nets. Knote32: you really seam to hate tmac, the guy knew he was hurt and just wanted to play with a title contending team. he tried everything to stay in last season. if youve ever played basketball with an injury its scary to make aggressive moves on defense or offense because it only takes one dumb move to put you in serious pain. the guy couldnt run a fastbreak but was able to still average 16ppg last season with an actually decent three-point and free-throw%, this guy was the heart and soul of our 22 game win streak. yao went down and he didnt quit. HE PICKED IT UP. he had 40 in our blowout in game 7 against the jazz last year. i really have a hard time reading your completely bias posts.
We won't get value for McGrady so it would be dumb to trade him. The only decent players (VC and RJ are gone). As mentioned he's in a contract year and has everyone beating him up about this year. I think if he has ANY sort of fire in the belly he'll be determined to come out and prove everyone wrong, like Wade this year. I'd love to see Amare in a Rockets uniform but I don't want to give up Brooks/Landry to get a PF, a position we already have reasonably stocked. We badly lack a decent SG who can create. I personally have faith in T-Mac to be a contributor next year, not 07 T-Mac but at least put up 15ppg or so and draw attention from the opposition defenders. In regards to shutting it down this year, I think it was poor he didn't tell RA first...but I think it was the right decision to have surgery. He tried rehab numerous times and it wasn't working. If he played out the year he would have been extremely average and delayed his comeback for no good reason. At least this way he MAY come back early-ish in the season and be able to contribute next season. I can't wait to see him back out there contributing next season and see the reactions of all the haters on here. If he doesn't perform then fine we can get rid of him, but at least then we won't let him go wondering.
Did he? Like when he came to camp out of shape and slacked on his rehab???? "Tmac was the heart and soul" Negro please. Shane and Scola have PROVEN that THEY are the heart and soul of this team. Tracy has never been the "heart and soul" of ANY team...
First off, I'm team first before any player but the board definitely treats its stars differently which shouldn't be the case but we all got opinions, some more biased than others. No player volunteers to have microfracture surgery to substantiate his lack of play/hustle/heart/etc for a season knowing he could possibly not return from it at all for upcoming seasons. He was clearly playing hurt. He was basically in a no-win situation last year. If he played, we could see he was holding back during games since he was hurt or if he didn't play, some would wanted him to "suck it up and play." He definitely handled his entire announcement of shutting it down wrong but that's in the past and organization has moved on while some posters keep holding on. The board will never support him. I'm not saying it should or shouldn't but he's finally in his last year. The whole T-Mac/Yao combo has failed so far since one or the other is injured or if they're healthy, they have no bench. It's always one thing or another. Outside of Lebron, no player has gone far in the playoffs alone. All players have had 1/2 other great players to help them get there (The Finals) and win. All the players he mentioned have gotten there and won. What do you expect him to say, "if only I played with vince carter, grant hill, or yao?" While his teammates may be great, there definitely not great players including Yao who's being held back by his health and lack of dominance/athleticism (for obvious reasons) and has already made headlines again recently. If he's traded, we won't get equal value as we don't know exactly when he'll return (Tracy: training camp, DM: early 2010) and what he can do on the court at that time and forward. Rockets are listening and I won't mind if he's traded or stays but he's finally in his last year and it be best to see what his limitations/capabilities are before dealing as we won't be getting a Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc in return.
here you go: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6387091.html feel free to twist this as much as you wish.. and point out how 'it's ok now', because as he says here.. "I got it back".. not like he's had a history of this or anything.....
negro please?.............. now ive lost all respect for you. saying shane is more of a reason we won 22 straight than tracy is just ignorant, i love shane to death but seriously man. i bet if you bumped in to tracy tomorrow youd be all about saying how badly you want him back and everything. im done with this little argument. i dont agree with your pov and thats fine... were all rockets fans.
I expect him to be mature, and show respect for his teammates. One day he says "It's on me", The next he says "It's my teammates". I don't care how GADDDAMN bad his teammates are. Did you EVER hear Charles Barkley say ANYTHING of the sort? Any great player for that matter? "If I was on that team I would have a few rings" Disgusting...
McGrady is the best player to have ever put on a Rockets shirt. He can have all the time he needs to rehab and get back to his best, because he will once again be the main man when he makes his comeback, and then everyone will eat their words.
I really want to be fair to this guy, but you McGrady sycophants are really annoying--possibly more so than the very idol you worship. Thus I will summarize the major reasons for the case against a McGrady return to Houston--the facts and the conjectures. The FACTS 1. McGrady has been the most injury-prone player on the Rockets since 2004 (yes, more than Yao). I will create a separate thread on why his injury history has done far more damage to the Rockets than Yao's in the last 5 years. 2. McGrady has a low shooting % but high FG attempts per game compared to players supposedly in his tier--C. Anthony, Bryant, Pierce, James. One thing the McGrady diehards can't seemingly let go is his playoff scoring feat in the Mavs and Jazz series--well, what do you expect when he took over 60% of the team's shots away and happened to make less than 45% of them most of the time? Hence the end result--three first-round exits for the Rockets despite McGrady's scoring. 3. Related to the above--McGrady has failed to take us out of the first round in three playoff series, while Yao Ming alone did it this year without Tracy in the lineup--makes you wonder the coulda-woulda's had McGrady not played in the Mavs and Jazz series and Yao or someone else led us instead. 4. Like another poster mentioned, he has made multiple statements this year detrimental to the Rockets and his teammates--even while sitting out he could not keep his mouth shut while his teammates put in the hard work and won game after game, beating Portland and nearly LA in the playoffs. Not only are these illuminating of his character, but even if he came back on the team these are fuel for chemistry or locker room problems. --complaining to media that he's never had talented teammates --betting against his team in the playoffs in predicting an LA Lakers championship 5. He is the reason the Rockets suffered through a $23-million dollar hole in its lineup for the better part of this season. Think opportunity cost. The CONJECTURES (these are not facts, but valid arguments nonetheless): 1. McGrady's injury this year hadn't been as serious as we thought it'd been-- it's his laziness and selfishness that led him to slack off in games this year. Some evidence: he consulted several doctors before finally finding one that showed him the green light on taking the season off. 2. Taking a risk on him to return one more year is foolish--we will be starting someone who is probably very out of shape, and possibly more injury prone than before, following microfracture surgery--can we really afford to waste more years in which the other Rockets players are still in their primes? I'm talking about Yao, Artest, Battier, Scola. 3. He has reportedly backstabbed Yao Ming in the media, accusing Yao of taking too many shots (this was just a rumor though, I will add) Again, potential chemistry problems once he returns. I know the McGrady diehards are nostalgic of his Orlando days and 04-05 season. And I do give the man props for making sure he's always in the spotlight and for his aggressive ad campaigns, and thereby winning the support of the naive diehards we see in droves today--but let it go now, you guys, please. For the love of our Rockets.
I hope that was sarcasm because that is one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on this bbs in my short time here.
a lot of people can't relate to them because they haven't tried to do something that was past their physical limitations. It is hard to really understand, some think him standing at half court was a piss poor effort, but maybe consider the fact hes really competitive and the fact he couldnt really run/jump anymore frustrated him?
ok lets just get serious here, i am sick of all of you saying he won't return to his form, he will return, he will never be tmac, he will, you don't have a damn clue, so don't pretend to. remember to insert something before you make those comments, like "i just can't imagine ________" because the fact is you don't know the true nature of tracy's injury, or how it is healing, or how it being a contract year will factor into his psyche, so just lay off and accept that for now we're keeping tmac and instead of being such a pessimistic annoyance try hoping that tmac plays well for the sake of the team instead of wishing him the worst of luck so you can say "i told you so"
