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The Rockets will make all their major moves before training camp. Here's why.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Raven, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. Raven

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    OK, Morey will want to retool the roster before the regular season begins, and here's why. Say that they wait until the trade deadline to acquire their final piece, the problem is that they'll have no way of knowing if the new piece fits until after the deadline has passed, so that means no mulligan.

    But if the Rockets make their major moves before the season starts, they have several months to see if the changes work, and they can make more deals at the deadline if they're unhappy with the results of the first trade, so a deal before training camp gives them a second chance to tweak the roster later, but a trade at the deadline gives them no second chances.

    This is why most of the big changes will happen before camp begins, and this explains why Morey is shopping Tracy now, because he'll want a chance to see how the new players fit, so he can make further changes if necessary.
     
  2. RV6

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    i disagree completely....not only did Morey come out and say he's NOT shopping tmac, but they made a big move last year the trade deadline and they had time to re-adjust......you can't force moves, if they are there u can take them, if they're not you cant...if a big move they like is available this usmmer they'll take it, if it's there in Feb they'll take it then...they're not going to be worried about second chances if a favorable move is on the table.

    It actually makes more sense NOT to trade tmac yet, this ways they give him a second chance, which gives the team another second chance at the tmac experiment before deciding if they want him for the whole season...
     
  3. Raven

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    There can't be a second chance for Tracy, because he's going to miss most of the first half due to his surgery, and there will be little or no time to see how we'll he's recovered before the trade deadline has passed.
     
  4. Francis3422

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    Raven- I agree that we are trying to and should be trying to expedite him as soon as possible.


    Anyone that thinks just becaue DM dodges a question or does not come out and say "Yes, we are trying to get rid of Tracy" means that we are not trading him or trying to trade him is crazy.

    Daryl Morey answers the questions in a political manner.
     
  5. mugrakers

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    haha offseason fodder... a lot of things will be put to rest on draft night. Let's just wait a few more days?
     
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    This makes sense since having the team ready for the start of the season will be key to having HCA throughout the playoffs. The team needs to start off with players that will be ready to play on the first day of the season and not have any distractions of having a player out till he is ready to play. No more excuses. I can't wait to see what moves Morey makes before the start of the season and it all begins next Thursday. :)
     
  7. johnkamla

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    I agree completely with RV6. DM is a pretty straight up guy. He's always looking to improve the roster - thus his comment that they're listening to all offers that don't include Yao. Besides, McGrady could get back as early as training camp so why not see how he does? A rehabbed McGrady is worth a lot more to the Rockets and prospective trading partners than a still rehabbing one.

    I for one would love to see our team with a fully healthy McGrady integrated into the team that beat Portland in the first round. Say bye-bye to that ridiculous fronting strategy.
     
  8. Hayesfan

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    Daryl is about perceived and actual value... a lot of the time, as he has mentioned in the past, you get the best value at the deadline rather than before the season.

    By that time teams have given up or feel they are just one piece away and so player values are inflated.

    I don't think you are necessarily all wrong, but I don't feel like everything will be settled before camp.
     
  9. Rocket86

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    One thing for sure, The Rockets will make a move. By now, Morey has all his plans in place, it is how the chips fall in its place. Draft night might be the start but things are being planned or is planned out already. Lets hope luck comes the Rockets way and NO OTHER TEAM FOIL these plans.
     
  10. Cannonball

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    That remains to be seen. Maybe, maybe no?
     
  11. RV6

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    have you been keeping up with the recent updates? there's nothing, as of now, that indicates he's going to miss most of the first half, expecially since his timetable has him down for an opening day return and he's on track so far.....
     
  12. jump shooter

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    Its a business and there's no room for second chances (thats high school stuff). Because of the insurance clause in T-Mac's contract, his value around the league is at its highest it will ever be. Strike while the iron is hot.
     
  13. RV6

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    He didn't dodge a question, he specifically said HE'S NOT SHOPPING tmac...he did say he's listening to every offer that comes in, but that's very different from implying he's going out and trying to move tmac by a certain date...
     
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    Morey's usually pretty up front of deals he wants to make for sure and how they are developing...he said as of now it's not likely a move will happen, but there's always a chance...it sounds to me like he's not really getting anywhere with trade talks as of yet, but of course there's always a small chance something pops up at the last second..don't be surprised if nothing happens on draft day though..
     
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    I feel that Tracy's value will not be higher than it is right now...
    His insurance paying off his salary until he recovers will attract a lot off teams looking to save money..
    And the potential off him coming back and being effective again will add to his value...
    Let's say Tracy comes back and doesn't recover,(a lot of players don't from that injury) his value will lower and we would have to take less then what we could have got....
    In my opinion there is not a better time to trade Mcgrady than right now...
    Les mentioned he wanted to take advantage of teams struggling with
    money..
    This would be the time to make a move...
    Teams that that want to cut salary and maximize their savings would want him now....
     
  16. jump shooter

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    Do you actually think Morey is going to go out on record and say he's shopping T-Mac, who happens to be a very sensitive and fragile guy. Of course he's going to say he's not shopping Tracy.
     
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    True, but I expect something to happen at least by the trade deadline. This off season might bring a quality player but I expect role players that would fit Adelman's system.
     
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    Good post. The insurance clause in Tracy's contract makes for a very special situation that couldn't have come at a better time due to economic hardships for many NBA franchises. The timing of trading T-Mac could never have been any better than what it is now. This is a gift from the trading gods.
     
  19. Raven

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    Agreed, and how often do general managers admit that they're trying to trade a player? Try almost never.
     
  20. RV6

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    i'ts not just about giving tmac a second chance, it's for the team...it would be stupid for them not to see where tmac is at first. his contract will expire this summer whether he comes back or not, the insurance will be available if his return is a bust and he's not healthy...that won't change...however, there's still a chance, as small as it may be, that he comes back close to 100%, if that's the case, he'll bring in more in a trade than he could ever bring on the injured list. And of course there's also the chance he may actually fit with this team is he's healthy.

    You have to explore all options. Part of the "trade tmac now" panic comes from fans thinking his rehab without a doubt will take until dec or jan....why they think that i have no idea, that timetable was thrown out by other fans on here, not by tmac or the rockets. Even Ron gave one of our posters (who ran into ron recently) a WTF look when the poster mentioned tmac not coming back until dec or so....the timetable is opening day as of now, even if he's a few weeks over it gives houston enough time to experiment with lineups and check tmac out before decising what to do in Feb. As fans, we should want the team to explore all options instead of just giving up. imagine what would happen if they'd trade tmac this summer and tmac comes back healthy? Morey wouldn't hear the end of it and the same fans who wanted tmac gone will call him out for not waiting, especially if he does make his return early in the season..
     

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