Can you tell me how many rookie can get 20/10 in their first year? Why are you so sure Griffin can do that? He can do that because you hate Yao?
No, I do not think Griffin will be better than Scola within next two years, and Camby had more injures than Yao, so we are just starting to rebuild the team after a great run. I will still take a chance with Yao who could be relative health in the next few years, but the max long signing thing bothers me if he is going to get another injure.
If Yao was shaq like in his prime, we wouldn't even bring this up. Hes a good player , but you can replace good, you cant replace great. another finals have also shown that the so called dominant post player isn't needed. Gasol was the center for al practical purposes. Last year it was garnett/perkins who are both far from dominant. Its easier to get a really good 4 and a decent center and roll. If you could get Camby, deAndre Jordan and Griffin, it would make the team more flexible and financially more flexible also.
Griffin will be pretty good. I think he can get 20/10 especially on the cllippers. I think elton brand was close to that his rookie year.
Griffin looks like beasley, I wouldn't take that chance. I see too many of these guys just become average players at best. the last guy like that I saw really translate was jamal mashburn, and he fizzled because of injuries.
That would be like having Shane and Shane's brother on the team. It'd be an interesting sight to see. Two California Raisins on the same team.
Nothing is more terrible than that the fans try to rob a GM's job during the off-season. --------- to all you so-called long timers.
Sad to say but NBA teams are run to make profits. Yao would fetch more then Griffin when it comes to revenues for a team. Talent wise, Yao is still the better player. ( for the next 3 years ) Thus, it makes no sense for this trade to be even considered.
When there is even consideration of something like that, you look at growth curve. Let me give u a couple of examples. Take portland for example and this is in no way to link yao to this guy. Randolph was and is a 20/10 guy, but he had off the court issues and as well as issues being the best player on a young team. They had just drafted roy and made the play for aldridge to add to the already young group of players. now even though randolph behaved his last year in portland, they felt it would be better to let the young guys grow together. Trading his talent and production for francis and frye was a loss on portland's end, but what it did was open the growth curve for aldridge,roy, and the other to grow together. Aldridge had a good rookie year, but not as good as what randolph would've put up, but the next year and the year after, we have seen the growth and the production in Aldrisge's game. Relate that to Yao vs griffin. I think Griffin is going to be a really, really good player. From a fundimentals point, i think he's like a smaller duncan. He also has a bit of a mean streak. Would he get 20-10 his first yr, i dont know, but 17-8 is realistic. Thats why you also get camby, Jordan and if you had to toss in another player to get thornton. So now what you have is 41m worth of expirings with tracy,camby,scola,barry,and hayes, but also you would have a young talented big in Jordan and a young developing sf in thornton. Would that team win the title this yr or the next? More than likely not, but i don't think they will win it with the team they have. What the would do is put themselves in the class of portland and utah as a high upside younger team. Brooks,Griffin,Thornton,Jordan,Lowry,and landry would be the core. The 41m in expiring could be used to acquire other young talent. The team would then be able to play a different styles of basketball. Also, you would be counting on player growth to push the team. What i see and i don't want to sound debbie downer, is the rockets being 1 player or injury away. Then next thing you know, yao is declining so fast that you cant get anything for him with the max contract. Just like Utah and Portland ran their course and made the playoffs for like 20 yrs in a row before flaming out, i think unless a major,major piece or pieces are added, this team will be in that same boat , but with shorter span.
From a business sense(the NBA is a business), no you dont do it obviously. I do think however, that trade would benefit the Rockets from a basketball standpoint. Yao has a lot of things going for him, but too many going against him aswell. I love Yao hes great. His work ethic is tremendous. Hes an incredibly nice guy, and extremely skilled. But it isn't going to get any easier on his body, and I dont like seeing 20mil sitting on the bench come play-off time. I understand that some injuries happen out of freak accidents rather than to blame his body, but they are their and the results are the same. Camby would still provide a decent inside presence, and it would allow our younger guys a chance to run a little more. Griffin has an upside that looks pretty good from down here. This would also allow us a chance to capitalize on the good value of landry or scola right now.(I would personally keep scola.) I would imagine a deal of landry + brooks could net something good,(young and cheap.) but im not a contract expert, nor am i looking to trade either of them. If you can get the amare or al-j for a mcgrady. I say keep yao. but if you can't I would probably fire on this trade right away. I am a rockets fan afterall
anyone who would trade the best center in the league for any draft pick not named lebron or kobe is retarted...or just plain stupid. How many draft picks have been a "SURE FIRE PERRINIAL ALL-STAR" and have come to the nba and done nothing??? seriously people, stop with the trade yao threads...he will retire a rocket with his jersey next to hakeems.....
Hey racist, the billion outsiders that you referred to just happen to own you and your sorry country club because America is up to its arse in debt to them. Go now apologize to your owners and clean up their country club, and make sure you don't leave any of the litter that you mentioned . Oh in case I forgot don't forget to pay your bills to them on time. What a sorry excuse for a human being you are!!
I think you're underestimating Gasol and especially Garnett. Obviously, they are nowhere near the force that Shaq was in his prime but they are still difference makers in their own way. Both guys made their teams instant championship contenders. I think Yao is on that level. We have no idea what Griffin will be. Yeah, Griffin may not end up as a bust but why is everyone acting as if it's a sure thing he'll be GREAT? How can you be sure he'll ever even be as good as Yao not to mention the Karl Malone?
sooooo you think its cool to send a proven all-star away to get a kid who may or may not be good? I give you credit for taken the abuse for starting this thread
These so-called Yao fans (perhaps they are just Rockets fans like you?) have put together substantive points in this very thread. The least you could do, if not actually responding with a real argument on the subject, is step down from your high horse and stop with the "old-timer" drivel.
I'm not underestimating Gasol and garnett, in fact u proved my point. The rox, much like memphis and garnett will ever win a championship with them as the best player or number 1 option. Its not physical as much as it is mentality. The lakers didn't go out their way to get Gasol the ball. Now they would feed him to getsome inside scoring and to make sure they're not totally perimeter. The rox have to force feed yao, which stagnates the offense and has everyone standing around. When he's not getting the ball since his range is so small, he turns into a non factor offensively. I never said that Griffin would be great, but I do think he will be very good. As I've also said, it doesn't have to be a center in the post. The okur/boozer combo is better than the yao/scola combo and as we know boozer does most of the post scoring. That's what i'm saying is that a good pf and a decent center can yield you the same or better results without stagnation.
