I know there are already threads mentioned about everything about Tmac. It is safe to say that most said about him are negatives. This thread is about discussing why it is so easy to trade Tmac right now. Is it because we want something new to happen to our team or we are just plain tired of Tmac right now? It is easy and hard at the same time to trade a player especially a superstar. We have different scenario on who has the best package to trade Tmac. We will consider Morey's decisions, financial status of the teams and the needs of every team. Yes, there will always be a player or trade package that will match the value of Tmac. Yes, we know he is declining, often injured, no heart and so on and so on. Yes, he should be in the level of Lebron, Kobe or Wade if he put his mind and heart to it. The question is what do we want in return? The possibilities of getting a bonafide and "current" superstar is probably out of question because of Tmac's condition. We can get from what we are reading in the forum is probably a Rip, Rasheed, Vince, Redd, Camby and the list continues. The player that we would most probably get is a good shooting guard. The question is do we need one? We have good shooting guards but unless it comes from a good pass then only will it be successful. How about a center? Of course we need one but at the expense of trading Tmac. Maybe, if we consider that center a game changer. Power forwards, small forwards,center and point guards we have enough. I love Rick Adelman. I like that he make plays that is practical and smart. I don't love Phil Jackson but he is great with the triangle offense. Coaches have their own plays but one thing that is very noticeable during tight games or crunch time or playoff games is coaches uses the pick and roll as the last resort when everything is not going as planned.The current Lakers, last year Celtics and the many time champion Spurs used it. Who are good with the Pick and Roll? Certainly great point guards like Nash, Paul and Deron. It is actually their job to do that but they are more lethal in passing than scoring from that position. How about those who are deadly in scoring and passing by the pick and roll? Lebron, Wade, even Pierce and now Kobe? So my point is what's the percentage of players that are good in the pick and roll? Probably minimal and most of them are superstars. Certainly there is a higher percentage of shooters or scorers only. Look what AB did in the Lakers series. He became a Tmac-lite as a pick and roll player when our plays were not executing well and when Yao got injured. He did well but when the Lakers adjusted in game 5 and 7, his height was not enough to attack their bigs. Kobe adjusted his game in the Denver series. He became a Tmac clone and was passing in the pick and roll. That was never his game but he had to because their triangle offense was not really working. Pierce also became that player last year and his assist went up because he wants to win. Nash became the MVP because of the pick and roll but Tmac has more firepower to be deadlier than him. The bottomline is a facilitator = scorer and passer in one = superstar = probable success. So do we still need Tmac? for some yes and for some no. Is a shooter our prime need? Most probably. We have Wafer. Isn't he a shooter already? Most of the shots he make are individual efforts. It is rarely that it is from a play but usually from kickouts from the post. Would not it be convenient for Wafer and Brooks that they receive the passes from a pick and roll. So, if we trade Tmac for a shooter. Who would setup for our players. Probably our point guards but they will be neutralized in some way because they are not tall enough. How about a scorer? Yes we can be successful but can he pass effectively?turkoglu was only a scorer before but now he is more effective and more recognized as a passer in the pick and roll. A slasher/scorer/passer is what Tmac is. Is Artest that kind of player? for me, No or at least he is not effective with it. He is more of a spot up shooter and post up player than a facilitator. We can say names that can help us but first compare the kind of player Tmac is to the rest of the league. He is in the select few who are game changers. Yes his efforts and attitude are important to consider but if you trade him away there is a less probability that you can find a replacement. I believe there are few trade possibilities that we can demand and get in return. We will only realize Tmac's value if we lose him. For me, let's just wait for him to recover. If he did not live up to expectation, he is going to be a free agent anyway.It is harder to regret trading a rare, special player and realizing that it will take some time to get a player like him again.
ANOTHER tmac thread? anyways, what you saw in the lakers' series is why we need tracy (or more importantly, a similar player to tracy). DD and some people LOVE team ball every minute of the game, which is absurd and unrealistic. a tmac-like player allows a team to give the ball to that one player down the stretch either to make a play, score, or DO SOMETHING. aaron brooks showed potential, but moreso with his scoring. when they took away his scoring in game 5 and 7, he struggled mightily. if he improves his playmaking, he'll def. be a bigger player for us down the stretch. ron artest is definitely NOT that type of player. so that's why if we keep tracy or trade him, we need that type of player who delivers that type of offensive presence on the perimeter. it's rare to find guys who are tall, see the entire court, be able to make plays, and handle the ball under high pressure. regardless of the weaknesses of tmac, that's what he did for us. we may not be able to score everytime, but we at least run a good play down the stretch.
We need Tracy for sure. It was evident during the playoffs with the Lakers. Don't get me wrong, we need a "healthy" Tracy... Healthy Yao and Deke would of helped too...
It's not necessarily about needing T-Mac, but this team needs a McGrady type player. Essentially a guy who's a playmaker. That along with a legit backup C and the ubiquitous issue of health are all the Rockets need in my opinion to contend.
We don't need a movie star on the court. We need someone who really could play out there, such as our Scola.
I don't know whether we need him or not, but honestly i'm just sick of talking about the dude. The next time I want to talk about McGrady, is the day we trade him.
We can be sick of Tmac for one more year because there is no probable trade out there that we can get a Tmac type player in return. There is bigger chance in 2010 because we get to choose a Tmac(Orlando version) type,facilitator, pick and roll player. Dwayne Wade, maybe or a Vince Carter turned into a passing scorer.
I think every player has a shelf life and I think tracy's is up as a rockets. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think he's the devil on earth. If someone could tell me tracy would be back to 85%, then I would say keep him. The reason being, he's a playmaker, but to be a really good playmaker, you need to be a triple threat. Right now his dribble drive to score isn't good enough. He can dribble drive to set someone up, but not really to finish at the cup. Best case scenerio for a team with Mcgrady is for him to be the pg. That means a guy like brooks at the point and another play finisher at the other guard. That would also mean a play finisher like landry at 4 spot. So in essence, he would be the pg, while brooks and the other mythical catch and shoot guy would be the sg. As presently constructed and with his health, that's not here in houston. Its time to move on and get good value.
I think every CF member should create their own McGrady thread. That would really enhance the quality of the GARM.
I wish we could all agree that the next person to start another t-mac thread gets demoted in rank and villified. The only t-mac threads that should be allowed are ones that updates his progress or that regards a credible trade rumor. We've argued the whole t-mac thing to death = it's all wait and see now.
I'm sick and tired of these T-Mac threads. He is still my favorite player but, with the bashing here and there, heck, he has to be traded for all of our sakes including him. I want to see a WTF T-Mac thread here and the T-Mac haters shocked on what they would see: a former Rocket player dismantling our defense with superior offense just for the heck of it. I also remembered now that he was a shot blocker in Barney Land so there will be defense. It's contract year and he would be out for 20-30 games in the season so when he gets on the court, he will explode on anyone, including our team. Thank you T-Mac for helping this team win 22 in a row and be the 2nd best team in history to achieve winning streaks because people here forgot that already. When Yao went down, thank you for lifting the team up. Thank you also for being the only player not sucking when we played the j*zz. If we go on like this, we don't deserve this athlete and maybe it's vice-versa. Discussion over.
ya i think you make a great point. yes we can trade tmac, but can we really getting a good deal in return. my opinion wait and see what he does after recovery, and then deal. there's absolutely no reason right now to quickly get rid of him.
When we had a healthy Tmac, we were able to take advantage of PnR with Yao more often. We don't need Tmac per say but we definately need a wing that can find Yao in the post when he's open and take it to the rim when opponents try to front. Someone who can beat defenders off the dribble.
Everyone's whining about too many tmac threads, but honestly, what else is there to talk about? He's the biggest issue we have right now, so it's pretty understandable why everyone starting a thread. If it bothers you guys, ask Clutch to sticky a main thread. It's not that hard.
i agree. but that kinda TMac will not be there anymore. 2005 and 2007 were the best years of TMac, and even with him we did damn lose to Dallas after leading 2-0, and by 40 in game7; and in 2007 against Utah in 7 games. If Tmac was a great player, he would've take his team like KB24 and LJ23 did. Unfortunately, it wasn't the case, and that will never happen TMac is getting old, gotta lotta injuries. We can not expect smg from him that can push up the team to at least the WCF. In my opinion, we have to trade Tmac, and bring a solid athletic backup center, with one or two players that can make the difference: Rip, Wallace, Redd... Kobe or LJ would've never lost series as Tmac did. Trade Tmac
