Iranians may be ready to vote Ahmadinejad out of power

This is really important, but the idea of a "Jew Media" really is a myth. Most of the powerful Media conglomerates are actually owned by non-Jews. I cant believe i even have to state that. Most media outlets today are not controled by a small minority group who gets together and discussing manipulating information - it's owned by mega-corporations like GE and Westinghouse, guys like Warren Buffet, Capital Alliance, Sony, Ruperh Murdoch, Ted Turner...non of these people are Jewish!

Where are you reading this non-sense?

 

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And thank you Sweet Lou for denouncing this utter crap.

 

This is some seriously disturbing race baiting.

 

Did you expect anything less from the guy who created "The most racist people in America" thread?

 

At most you're just ONE of the Jewish Americans...... and you could politely explain why I am wrong or stupid or misled.

This topic is touchy but let's keep it in a civil way.

 

Once you start race baiting you've already crossed the line of civility.

 

A lot of what you are saying here is inaccurate. Furthermore even if it were true it assumes that all Jewish people are united in a common cause and act in unison for some sort of master plan.

It's false and also makes no sense. Rupert Murdoch is not jewish. Walt Disney was an atheist.

 

What do you think about this?

LATEST: Full election results, by numbers
June 14, 2009

My friend Alireza Doostdar has painstakingly combed the Interior Ministry’s election results. He writes live from Tehran, after over 6 hours of research/translation and 7 hours of walking through riot police-filled streets (and being hit with their batons).

These are major numbers the Western media will not be reporting. Analysis forthcoming.

He writes:

‘Below is a list of vote results in some (maybe most) of Iran’s major cities. My source for the numbers is the PDF file released on the Interior Ministry’s website. These results don’t seem rigged to me. I’m only typing the results for the two top candidates, Ahmadinejad and Mousavi (they add up to more than 90% of the vote anyway), plus the total for each city.

‘These account for a total of 16,565,964 votes. Of these, 9,194,832 belonged to Ahmadinejad (55.5%) and 6,734,204 to Mousavi (40.1%). The national total was 39,371,214, of which Ahmadinejad got 62.5% and Mousavi 33.9%.

‘This leads to the obvious point everyone already predicted: Ahmadinejad did significantly better in small towns and villages, and Mousavi did significantly worse. But Ahmadinejad didn’t do bad in the big cities either (more than 55%). There are some cities, as you’ll see below, where Mousavi was a lot closer to Ahmadinejad, or even beat him (as in the most glaring case, Tehran, and especially northern Tehran).

‘I’m all for hearing Mousavi’s case for why the election was rigged. But the idea that I hear most often from people, that the results just don’t make sense, seems ridiculous to me. Mousavi kicked ass in Tehran, and did very well in Yazd, in Turkish-speaking areas, and among the Kurds and Baluch (all regions with known ethnic minority issues that Mousavi capitalized on).

‘Please bring on the evidence that the election votes were rigged.’

Tehran (Mid- and South)
Total: 4,179,188
Ahmadinejad: 1,809,855 (43.3%)
Mousavi: 2,166,245 (51.8%)

Tehran (North – Shemiranat)
Total: 320,114
Ahmadinejad: 102,433 (32%)
Mousavi: 200,931 (62.8%)

Karaj (city to west of Tehran)
Total: 950,243
Ahmadinejad: 510,509 (53.7%)
Mousavi: 397,906 (41.9%)

Tabriz (major Turkish-speaking city)
Total: 876,919
Ahmadinejad: 435,728 (49.7%)
Mousavi: 419,983 (47.9%)

Orumiyeh (another major Turkish-speaking city)
Total: 445,344
Ahmadinejad: 234,600 (52.7%)
Mousavi: 199,682 (44.8%)

Ardebil (a third major Turkish-speaking city)
Total: 285,700
Ahmadinejad: 137,220 (48%)
Mousavi: 140,582 (49.2%)

Isfahan (major city in central Iran. I’m surprised Mousavi did so poorly here. Isfahanis have any insights?)
Total: 1,095,399
Ahmadinejad: 666,955 (60.1%)
Mousavi: 389,459 (35.6%)

Kashan (city in central Iran, known to be highly conservative)
Total: 182,031
Ahmadinejad: 127,771 (70.2%)
Mousavi: 47,740 (26.2%)

Bushehr (city in the south, by the Persian Gulf. extremely deprived. why did Mousavi do well here?)
Total: 125,718
Ahmadinejad: 65,842 (52.4%)
Mousavi: 54,637 (43.5%)

Varamin (city to the south of Tehran. much more conservative than Tehran)
Total: 265,520
Ahmadinejad: 190,690 (71.8%)
Mousavi: 66,847 (25.2%)

Mashhad (holy city in northeast)
Total: 1,536,106
Ahmadinejad: 1,027,273 (66.9%)
Mousavi: 459,011 (29.9%)

Ahvaz (oil city, southwest)
Total: 663,609
Ahmadinejad: 399,240 (60.2%)
Mousavi: 223,107 (33.6%)

Zanjan
Total: 279,301
Ahmadinejad: 200,307 (71.7%)
Mousavi: 69,944 (25%)

Zahedan (Baluch city, southwest)
Total: 268,191
Ahmadinejad: 120,978 (45.1%)
Mousavi: 140,118 (52.2%)

Shiraz (big city in the south. I’m surprised Mousavi did poorly here as well)
Total: 947,168
Ahmadinejad: 568,009 (60%)
Mousavi: 352,082 (37.2%)

Qazvin (city near Tehran)
Total: 328,077
Ahmadinejad: 220,856 (67.3%)
Mousavi: 96,973 (29.6%)

Qom (cleric central. go figure)
Total: 599,040
Ahmadinejad: 422,457 (70.5%)
Mousavi: 148,467 (24.8%)

Sanandaj (major Kurdish city in the West)
Total: 165,726
Ahmadinejad: 80,936 (48.8%)
Mousavi: 74,987 (45.2%)

Kerman (major southeastern city, close to Bam, the famous earthquake-hit town. big drug problem.)
Total: 396,530
Ahmadinejad: 266,668 (67.2%)
Mousavi: 118,173 (29.8%)

Kermanshah (lots of Shi’a and Ahl-e Haqq Kurds here)
Total: 503,575
Ahmadinejad: 290,959 (57.8%)
Mousavi: 197,303 (39.2%)

Gorgan (northern city)
Total: 227,977
Ahmadinejad: 141,203 (61.9%)
Mousavi: 79,760 (35.0%)

Gonbad-e Kavoos (also northern)
Total: 130,002
Ahmadinejad: 62,858 (48.4%)
Mousavi: 62,782 (48.3%)

Rasht (another northern city, near the Caspian)
Total: 484,075
Ahmadinejad: 298,146 (61.6%)
Mousavi: 175,041 (36.2%)

Sari (also close to the Caspian)
Total: 317,768
Ahmadinejad: 211,712 (66.6%)
Mousavi: 98,376 (31.0%)

Arak (central Iran)
Total: 319,014
Ahmadinejad: 210,321 (65.9%)
Mousavi: 96,853 (30.4%)

Hamedan (is this center-West? I’m too tired to check the map)
Total: 381,743
Ahmadinejad: 257,514 (67.5%)
Mousavi: 109,125 (28.6%)

Yazd (central Iran, close to Isfahan)
Total: 291,886
Ahmadinejad: 133,792 (45.8%)
Mousavi: 148,090 (50.7%)

http://southissouth.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/full-election-results-by-numbers/

Also:

On the Iranian Election Fraud Allegations

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A friend asked me to write something up quickly on the Iranian elections for meedan.net, so I quickly modified and extended my last blog post. You can also find an Arabic translation by clicking the link at the top right of the page on Meedan’s site.

This was written at 3am when I was also tweeting like a madman, so please mind the typos!

The Internet is going crazy over the happenings in Iran. The response to alleged election “rigging” is being called a “revolution” by everyone from right-wing Americans to left-wing Egyptians. Personally, I am not convinced that fraud did occur in these elections, and that’s not because I pretend to know or understand Iran’s electoral system or what happened when tens of millions of Iranians went to the polls on 12 June. I’m not convinced for one simple reason: If fraud was committed it would’ve had to have been on a massive scale, and voter fraud on a massive scale would mean that there must be at least a shred of evidence. Until now, there is absolutely none.

Everyone outside Iran needs to take a few deep breaths, chill out and get the facts straight before accusing one side or the other of foul play. Say what you will about Iranian “democracy,” Ahmedinijad could very well have been the legitimate winner in these elections, meaning the majority of Iranians voters chose him last week. What’s happening now involves a lot of mostly angry youth who are protesting in Tehran and it’s being reported in a few other places around the country. Before the world jumps behind their “revolution,” let’s discuss what we know.

A blog featuring the reporting of Iranian-American Alireza Doostdar in Tehran breaks down the numbers put out by the Iranian Interior Ministry. Now, one can argue that these numbers are not independent of the government and could therefore be rigged. But at least this does show what the government is reporting by district and explains how it could make sense. No one denies that Ahmedinijad has more support among Iran’s working class and also among those who are more religiously conservative. The protests now are happening in the upper-class north area of Tehran where people are upset by the election results as is clear in the numbers released by the interior ministry.

Nate Silver of the FiveThirtyEight blog also explains how the results make sense by providing statistical analysis of the elections.

Another important item that indicates there was no need for fraud is a poll conducted by a US non-profit weeks before the elections shows that Ahmedinijad has support at a margin of 2 to 1 just weeks before the elections. It also shows that before the elections Mousavi was not the most popular among Azeri voters even though he “emphasized his identity as an Azeri, the second-largest ethnic group in Iran after Persians, to woo Azeri voters.”

As US President Barack Obama admitted recently in Cairo, the west has interfered in Iranian affairs in the past when he made reference to the US/British-backed coup in 1953. That coup, which overthrew the democratic (and secular) government of Iran put into power the pro-American Shah. More than two decades later Iranians took to the streets en masse and overthrew the Shah in 1979, hence the Islamic Republic of Iran that exists today.

Now, more than 50 years after the coup, there are again powerful forces outside Iran working to see the elected government fall from power. Before citizens of the world also join a campaign against Ahmedinijad we should consider that if it does happen and it’s not the voice of the majority of Iranians calling for it, we can probably expect that the violent images circulating the web will be little compared to those that will follow.

http://justimage.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/on-the-iranian-election-fraud-allegations/

Man, I gotta say this is interesting stuff. Technology is great. I personally have been scouring the internet looking for actual proof that this election was supposedly rigged, which is why I posted the Juan Cole articles and the one from Tehran Bureau, but so far nothing. I think perspective is important too. You have all kinds of people, no doubt with political motivations, claiming that there is a mass uprising going on in Iran even though all we are seeing is protests as the article points out from urban youth from the upper more affluent part of Tehran with sporadic protests elsewhere. I wonder what rural and lower class Iranians have to say.

 

I'm going to politely let you figure this one out on your own. You threw civility out the window with your post. I'll let you continue to make yourself look stupid AND misled.

 

Kwame,

Strike me unimpressed by those numbers. First the initial vote is 62+% to 33%... now after a "recount" you have a 14 point swing (29 percent victory to 15 percent).

Tabriz (major Turkish-speaking city)
Total: 876,919
Ahmadinejad: 435,728 (49.7%)
Mousavi: 419,983 (47.9%)

I don't consider myself an expert on Iranian politics at all, but is it really possible for Mousavi to lose in his hometown of Tabriz?

 

Wasn't Walt Disney an anti-semite too?

 

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/if-he-did-it.html#comments

Interesting post from Stats/Election Projection guru Nate Silver.



Ahmadinejad picked up the majority of votes in 2005 from a Moderate (Rafsanjani) and the most liberal candidate of 2005 (Karrobui).

Let us note that Ahmadinejad and Rafsanjani are bitter rivals. Ahmadinejad won all 3 provinces in 2009 that Rafsanjani won in 2005.

Something stinks to holy hell...

 

Keep crawling along the stick, really. I'm not obliged to know the "truth" you like, then.

 

the "truth" you believe in isn't the truth at all. If you are a true seeker of the truth you have to consider all possibilities, even ones you don't want to agree with.

For me, I had to examine in my life the idea of a "Jew controlled media". Is there truth to this? TO be a true free-thinker, I do think someone should entertain these thoughts. Of course, I did that as a high school student 20 years ago and quickly realized it was a silly concept. But still - It's playing devil's advocate with oneself. And I've done that a lot and it's a good thing to do to be a critical thinker.

So with that in mind, I encourage to challenge your own belief and sources of knowledge. What is your "truth" based on? How do you know it to be the "truth"? Why not investigate why others say this is not so. For every person out there who talks about the "Jew-controlled media" you can find the data points that show how ludicrous that argument is. Instead of looking to us - use your own research skills.

Instead of looking at the information that supports your case, embrace the information that tears it to shreds. Be a free independent thinker. If you do that, I guarantee you your thinking will change. But you have to let go off what you "perceive" the truth to be and really keep an open mind...not just say you are doing that.

I won't preach to you any longer, but I am not going to debate with you either.

 

Ok I give up. There is a jewish conspiracy to control the media and force our "truth" on people. Only peoples that have been enslaved are in on it. I sent those mean racist black people after you. We offered them the West Bank, Tehran and Hong Kong.

Didn't you know... we run it all.

 

Franchise2001 my man, I'm not an expert either. I'm learning on the fly. This is so fascinating. People actually think some type of revolution is happening....wishful thinking if you ask me. Of course it's possible for Mousavi to lose in his hometown. Don't you remember what Kevin Garnett said after winning the Finals last year?! On a more serious note, Al Gore couldn't carry his home state in the first Bush election. The article I posted earlier addressed this:

“Iran experts” argue that Mousavi’s Azeri background and “Azeri accent” mean that he was guaranteed to win Iran’s Azeri-majority provinces; since Ahmadinejad did better than Mousavi in these areas, fraud is the only possible explanation.

But Ahmadinejad himself speaks Azeri quite fluently as a consequence of his eight years serving as a popular and successful official in two Azeri-majority provinces; during the campaign, he artfully quoted Azeri and Turkish poetry — in the original — in messages designed to appeal to Iran’s Azeri community. (And we should not forget that the supreme leader is Azeri.) The notion that Mousavi was somehow assured of victory in Azeri-majority provinces is simply not grounded in reality.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=E47D1CF2-18FE-70B2-A8A86265132AF194

This was also posted earlier in one of Juan Cole's blogs in the comment section (I provided a link to that too):

It is not true that in the two Azeri-populated provinces, Ahmadinejad won... In the West Azerbaijan province, Moussavi won (656,508 votes versus Ahmadinejad's 623,946), whereas in the East Az. province, Ahmadinejad won, and not by a huge margin you make it to be (1,131,111 versus Moussavi's 837,858)

 

I like your attitude and suggestions, Sweety. Thanks.

I don't believe those Jewish conspiracy theories from the right wingers. I just don't understand why people tried to put a heavy hat over my top when I merely jumped to a topic. I think being open-minded is the way to dissipate some misunderstanding instead of hiding yourself, saying one thing, meaning another. But how come America always parts with Israel even if Israel is a culprits in the relationship to the Arabic world?

I recently watched the video "manufacturing consent", which I consider is a very convincing study of how the mass media manipulates the public opinions representing the government and big cooperations. It still applies to today's new channels. Look at this thread alone, you can't help but thinking manufacturing consent is indeed in work. Americans don't like to think that they are propagandized to, that they are not completely free spiritually and mindly. Some realize this fact but there are so many sources available, the truth is buried under the sand for a busy working bee. Seriously, what's the difference from Goebel's tactics: repeat the lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth.

Oh, Noam Chomsky is Jewish and I absolutely look up to him.

 

Sorry, but can you guys take this debate to a new thread or soemthing?

You've been off topic for a while and don't appear to have any interest in the news regarding Iran.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

I just love how people like Charlie here make these bigoted statements and then scream for civility. But ol' Charles' got nothing on this tact like the king, bigtexxx.

HIlarious

 

100% agreed. Thank you very much for saying this.