Uh... ....just so I'm clear on this Sweet Lou 4 2.... ...are you apologizing for Tracy McGrady being a spineless, gutless, overhyped piece of female dog hair? ...And here I thought all this time that you were just faking it like McGrady....
I agree, that it would be more ideal to deal Tmac before the season starts. It gives us more time to integrate moving parts.
I think non-contenders who take on McGrady with a second trade in mind would probably want some guarantee that McGrady's recovery will be a success and that he would be returning early enough before the trade deadline. Because without such a guarantee, a second trade to a contending team would be highly unlikely. OTOH, if there were such an evidence that McGrady would be returning to form, why wouldn't the Rockets just decide to keep McGrady?
they're shopping him doesn't mean they'll trade him. but b/c tracy hasn't played yet, we still don't know how he's going to come back. morey is too smart not to explore every option possible.
Put this on record, someone can sig it or whatever, BUT I think Tmac will be better than last year (meaning he will be productive and a valuable asset) I don't care what you say, but overhyped and gutless are not things that come to mind. First of all, he plays through countless injuries to avoid critisism and was one of the best players on the planet. He can still be that. Im not a TMAC fan at all, but you guys are ridiculous. I understand your tired of injuries and all, but this guy carries us for two years. If he comes back for another team and shines, we are all screwed. Best option is to wait and see what he can do...his value cant get any lower so why not wait.
Morey is not going to wait until McGrady is healthy to see if he wants to trade him. He is looking to deal NOW, and if he receives a good offer he will pull the trigger.
LOL how am i not surprised sweet Lou is still at it. here is what sweet lou says 99.9% of the time: 1) he wants to give tmac a chance b/c "the rockets and fans have never given him a fair chance" - he will then refer to the utah jazz playoff series 2) he gets into childish name-calling games at anyone who disagrees with him (it was me before i put him on ignore and he moved on to tinman) Say TMAC isnt able to come back from his microfx surgery or he is absolutely nothing like his former self. His value would fall because right now, there is the belief that he can be back in time to help a playoff team. If we wait and he proves that he cant even do that, then his value would only be that of his expiring contract and not the added potential of him contributing to a team. kittles had microfx surgery, couldnt play at all on his knee, then had to have the OATS procedure and was out the entire next season. harpring had microfx surgery, the next season he couldnt play the 2nd game of back to back games cuz his knee was so whacked out so he had to have another microfx surgery. recovery is unpredictable. let's use the potential of a tmac return next season to our advantage and get something in return for him rather than absolutely nothing if he's still on our roster at the end of the season...
I agree Morey should and will explore every option available, but I guess I just wonder what market is really out there right now for McGrady given the uncertainty of his injury status. When Atlanta traded for Rasheed, for example, it was pretty much assumed that they'd be involved in a second trade. Since there's no such guarantee with McGrady at this point, how does that affect what we can get back for him? And also, even if the Rockets were positive that McGrady comes back near 100% from his injury, that is if his health status weren't an issue, I'm wondering if Morey would still prefer to trade him.
I'm not sure if this is true. If you were a contending team, would you bank on a player coming off a microfracture surgery in mid-season to help your championship run, and trade away enough to absorb his $20+ million contract to boot? If the Rockets decided to do that, what would you think?
The year he finally has a cast of good role-players around him and Yao, T-mac gets injured (so does Yao) and he gets labeled as spineless, gutless, and overhyped piece of female dog hair. That's sports for ya!
I think Morey is just seeing what kind of offers are out there. Unlike most people on this forum, I doubt Morey would get rid of Tmac's contract for spite. Only when we get some kind of value back, will Tmac be traded. I still believe that we might not get any DECENT offers until the trade deadline.
that's why they're looking to shop him NOW. because if tracy does come back and play well, they'll want to keep him considering they're not going to get back anything that is worth his value if he does play well. if he does get traded NOW, the team that will get him will let him experiment for the first part of the season. if he plays well, he'll probably end up on a contender in a 2nd trade.
a whole lot of people on here just do not understand the fact that Tmac is an expiring deal. So this means nobody cares if he comes back and play for them if he is traded. Teams are still saving a lot of money by making the deal, look at steve to portland. Clutch talked about it in his statement just read it
i think he means what will WE get back? like clutch said, we're a contending team. we don't want to trade tracy for a bunch of garbage. we want to get better.
It doesn't make sense - why take on bloated contracts of players who don't fit with our team and are even worse than T-mac? Expect now you will have them for 3+ years and it will really hamper us from playing the free agent market. I mean, do you want to make a Zach Randolph type of deal? I don't. I think we are just better off letting T-mac's contract expire in 2010 and signing a good free-agent.
Anybody actually surprised this was announced? Rockets have nothing to lose. You shop the man to see who is offering. If its a great offer, how can you turn it down? Or You get a healthy T-mac after 20-30 games and see what he can do. Maybe it will be a miracle motivator for T-mac. If he is only at 70%, hell that may be enough to get us over the hump. However, I am a sucker for those comeback stories, where T-mac comes back and proves to everybody he ain't gone. Be a wonderful story if that happens and Rockets end up with a championship. Cinderella ending.......if the Rockets stay healthy.
Clutch, I'd be curious to know which teams (besides the Knicks) you think would be willing and able to absorb $23M in salary this summer, with no guarantee that T-Mac will ever be fully healthy next year, simply for the resulting salary cap relief in 2010. Also, I seriously doubt ANY team other than the Knicks would be willing to trade the Rockets LESS salary than it takes on. Most other teams would likely require that the Rockets take on close to $29M in salary in the process. Unless either (a) the Rockets are seriously willing to take SEVERAL bad contracts back in order to get one or two valuable assets or (b) Michael Heisley has secretly purchased several other NBA teams and is ready to deal, I just don't see many options for unloading T-Mac RIGHT NOW (as opposed to in February, when he will have only $10M or so left on his deal and there will be a better picture on what his health status is). As I try to play out the various scenarios in my head, I keep coming back to scenarios in which (a) the Knicks take on T-Mac's contract, (b) one or more of the Knicks' smaller (yet still sizable) expiring contracts (e.g., Larry Hughes or Quentin Richardson) goes to a third team, and (c) the Rockets take on Jared Jeffries and some mildly significant assets from the third team. I could also see a variation where the Rockets get Q-Rich's expiring contract and either use him as a 3-point shooter and rebounding guard and/or trade him in February as a decent-sized expiring contract. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see that many trade alternatives right now for T-Mac. Completely agree. Most of the teams you mention are in need of some serious financial relieve, either due to excessive player salaries or severely declining revenues. For instance, the Pacers have a managable salary cap situation, but their fans just aren't coming out to their games like they did in the Reggie Miller-Rik Smits days. Detroit is in an interesting situation. They are WAY under the cap right now and are trying to shave some additional salary off its books in order to sign two big free agents (preferably, Ben Gordon and Paul Millsap). However, if the Pistons cannot land multiple big time players, I could see Joe Dumars holding onto some of his remaining cap space, trading for expiring contracts in February (T-Mac for Rip Hamilton and filler?), and giving it another go in 2010 for one major free agent. Clutch, while I agree in concept with that possible motivating strategy for some teams, I just don't see how you "flip" a $23M contract, regardless of when it's expiring. Rasheed was making ~$12M and was traded for several players (including Bobby Sura!). Imagine the chaos of trying to put together a package of contracts totaling $23M. Has one player ever been traded for 8 guys? I have visions of the depressing Scottie Pippen-to-Portland, 6-for-1 trade; and Pippen didn't make NEARLY as much that year as T-Mac is set to make. I definitely think the buyout route is the most likely scenario for those cellar-dweller, cost-cutting teams. With a $23M salary, T-Mac might be receptive to a buyout of about $16-17M, knowing that (if healthy) he could catch on with a contender, some of which might be willing to throw a one-year full MLE deal at him to rent him for 3 months and have a legit shot at a title. The cost-cutting team would then be able to shed $5-6M (and up to $10-12M or more counting luxury tax ramifications) off their books fairly quickly. Clutch, I know you have insider info. I'm not asking for you to divulge anything for fear of messing up Daryl Morey's plans. But a "Doc Rocket-like" hint would be much appreciated.
i heard josh smith is on the block, a trade for him could be good, and atlanta is looking for mad cap relief, this would be beneficial for both sides. hes not the best shooter but he brings attacking the rack to houston again.
that would be crazy to have Josh Smith on the squad but the #1 guy the Rockets should be going after this offseason is Amare cause we need a game changer and he's definitely is one.
josh smith and ron artest on the same team screams DISASTER. both are boneheaded offensive players. you're screaming for a lot of botched plays offensively.
