clutch: source says rockets want 1 of 4-5 PG's expected to go lottery

Kevin Martin is a top 10 SG...hands down..by anyone that knows BB.

...and that pretty much sums it up!

Again, I go with the whole 'What Would GM Do? (W.W.GM.D?), or any coach, player in the history of the league do...and NOT ONE would take Von Wafer over Kevin Martin. Whew...

 

uhhhhhh.....have u not asked ur self that question??? how are they similar??? dont tell me the obvious being they are PGs

 

You do realize Michael Redd is already 30 years old, injury prone and making 15 million a year, right? Redd may be a better (mid-range) shooter, but that's all he has going for him. Ray Allen is even worse, making 20 million a year but is essentially just a rich man's Jason Kapono. Both of them are worse 3pt shooters by the way, Redd shot an abysmal 36% while Allen shot a pedestrian 40%. Like Martin, both of them can't play defense as well, but for the money you're paying those two you need more than just good mid-range shooters.

On the other hand Martin is the real deal. His defense needs work but at his age (26) there's still some time to remedy that. He averages 10fts a game while shooting over 42% from the 3 pt line. A slasher AND a dead eye shooter for less than 10 mill? What more could you possibly expect?

 

to me i think its going to be like a sign and trade with artest for the draft pick, than sign the draft pick and vonila.

 

You guys that think a #10 draft pick is worth so much are going to be very surprised at some of the deals made for draft picks in this draft. Everyone outside of Griffin is a crapshoot, at best a semi crapshoot. Jennings may very well be there at 10 and if so, he could possibly be available in a trade if someone would take back junk from Milwaukee and give them a decent talent in return. Everyone that follows basketball should be able to look back at Landry's draft and see that his production merits that he should have been in the top 15 of that draft. He is a proven, productive player and this is a very weak draft class. Combine that with the fact that teams like Milwaukee, Indiana, Charlotte to name just a few, are hurting financially. That is why we have a chance to make a play for a lottery pick in this draft. I am not saying it will happen but I think it is realistic to expect that we could probably trade Landry for a 10-15 pick in this draft if we combined him with an expiring and took back somebody's junk.

In my opinion, there will be 3 to 4 major contributing players to come out of this draft. They are in order: 1. Grifffin, 2. Rubio (with more potential to be better than Griffin long term), 3. Curry 4. Harden (possibly). There may be one or two more players that amount to something but they are uncut diamonds at this point......possibly a guy like Brandon Jennings (if he can mature), or a super athlete like Earl Clark, etc. But most of these guys will be gone before their rookie contract is over.

 

Ben Gordon over Kevin Martin?

Please stop posting.

 

Oh wow I shouldn't have started reading backwards. Then I would have known better and not bother replying to your idiotic posts at all.

Manu is INJURY-PRONE and OLD just like Redd and Ray Allen. Are you living in some kind of fantasy land where players never age, never have injuries and don't decline? Why do you keep bringing up players who were really good 3-5 years ago? You didn't even consider salary cap issues in your post. You could afford 3 Martins with Ray Allen's salary, is Ray Allen's production 3x Martin's?

Have you even considered the fact that Martin is the focal point of their offense has something to do with his FG% being lower than Wafer? Martin was seeing double and triple teams all game long, while wafer is a sub and always plays off either Yao, Brook, Artest, Scola or Landry.

Finally, double negative = fail. Saying "he isn't nothing special" actually means he's special, fyi.

 

Say what you want, stick up for the douche, and ride his **** for all I care but I don't ever see the guy fitting in our locker room and with our team. It's more than numbers if but you wouldn't know.

 

Martin's 42% shooting last year was the lowest that he has ever shot.

When you become the number one option, shooting out of double teams, and taking all the all last second pull aways, your percentage goes down.

 

I'll take mr. Clutch "Ben Gordito"

 

I agree with this, except for your rankings. Morey has hinted in other interviews that he thought this draft was a weak one. That's why it made perfect sense for him to trade out of it to acquire Artest. If there is ANY reason whatsoever he would want to get back in it, it certainly wouldn't be for any crappy player available at 10. Among PG's, not a one out of Holliday, Lawson, Teague, Curry, Flynn or Jennings would be able to beat out Brooks or Lowry for a rotation spot. Harden is easily worse than Wafer.

For us to do what it takes to get up that high (and it might take a package around T-Mac, Brooks, Landry, Battier, who knows), you better believe Morey thinks a player is worth it. Not even Griffin in my mind is worth it--he'll be a steady starting PF in this league, but you're kidding yourself if you see a ceiling for him as the leader of a perennial contender. There are only two guys in my mind with ceilings so high they would warrant trading back into the top 5 picks of the draft, and of those two guys only one is a real need for us at this point.

What has been our franchise's problem ever since 2003? Figuring out how to get Yao the ball. Who could do that and even more, everything we could potentially desire in an ideal point guard? Who has already cut his teeth against the best team this generation had to offer, and performed surprisingly well? I need say no more.

The point of my argument is, if Morey is even contemplating trading into that high of a pick, then he must be swinging for the fences. Not looking to guide the ball between the SS and 3B--going for the whole grand salami.

 

Lets see, besides being PGs, they are all more suitable in a Rucker Park, Harlem Globetrotter setting than a professional basketball team. They are more interested in hotdogin' up and down the court, playing to the crowd, juking their man one on one, than playing within a team setting. Maybe that worked when the NBA rules were more conducive to isolation play a few years ago, but that has obviously changed, as shown by the spectacular collapse of Marbury/Francis's careers. There is a difference between Rubio making the occasional fancy play ala Maravich, Magic, Nash, as opposed to having no idea how to play a team game because you played streetball all your life.

 

If "swinging for the fences" means figuring out a way how to get a primo player like Chris Paul or what Morey figures is a "primo" player out of this draft (Rubio), then the reason to pick up a #10 is to include it in a package to get the #4.

IF............we could acquire a #10 pick where a guy like Brandon Jennings will likely be available, then it could be packaged with McGrady's expiring to take back a huge chunk of salary and role players to fit around Rubio, Yao, Scola, and Artest......if we re-sign him. I think a #10-13 pick is going to be able to be had for a talent like Landry and us taking back salary. Just my humble opinion.

I am convinced that Morey is trying to figure out how to get Rubio. And if he can't get Rubio, I am convinced he is interested in seeing if he can get Curry on the "cheap".

 

It would suck if all this hype and drama just ends up being for nothing but a 2nd rounder or nothing at all. I wouldn't be surprise doh.

 

wouldnt it be awesome if dm somehow managed to get rubio and then trade him (along with fillers) to new orleans for cp3 and chandler? i could see NO doing it.

 

that would never happen in a million years. I couldn't even dream for getting both CP3 and Chandler for that. CP3 is the only reason they made the playoffs the last couple of years. they won't be getting rid of him.

 

Unless they think he will opt out of his contract.

 

Agree.

We have to have something to talk about though!

Even if we dont buy a good pick, we'll still have the 'will, wont we' Artest talk and unrealistic trade scenarios flying around.

Should be a fun offseason!

 

plus, theyve been wanting to get rid of peja and chandler's contract and speculations are that they'd be willing to give up cp3 in the process.

getting back a projected to be good PG in rubio to replace cp3 would be enticing to them. rubio + tmac + dorsey + barry.

but what to give up for rubio?

 

Agreed. I could see Morey pulling off three trades in a row even, just to inch himself up to get Rubio the way he did inching backwards to add enough picks and get the right players to ship to Sacramento for Artest. The caveat of course is that Morey does not operate in real time like the rest of us do, so if he wants to get the #10 pick and do 2 trades in between to get to Rubio, then he could do it all in the blink of an eye without us realizing what happened.