Iranians may be ready to vote Ahmadinejad out of power

Oh, then I stand corrected.


A picture of of undercover (secret) militia.

Spoiler

 

Hopefully. It's going to get more violent, but the key is not backing down. It does seem the internal gov't is split and the military is staying neutral, so there's definite potential if this drags out some more. But if the protests fail and get crushed (see China), it will just mean a stronger gov't going forward. This is one of those once-in-a-generation opportunities for the Iranian people, and hopefully the protesters are able to withstand the gov't response.

 

Khamenei blinked.

 

I can't express how happy I am that moronic twits are no longer controlling our foriegn policy.

 

What a nice piece from NYT again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/opinion/15mon1.html?_r=1

When the result is not what you want, the election is fraud. How beautiful!

I see US tired so hard to initiate another color revolution in Iran. Too bad Iran is not Ukraine. Now keep barking with hysteria!

 

Wouldn't you expect an American President to get more outraged over the murder of an American doctor on American soil by a religious fanatic than a foreign election where there were no American monitors to verify the election.

 

Thats interesting because people like Basso seem to say that the US hasnt tried hard enough or at all.

And the election was a fraud for a multitude of reasons that are all over this thread.

 

How do you know Mousavi won?

 

WOW!

Amazing if true.

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Revolutionary Guards Arrested in Iran

According to the Cyrus News Agency, Tuesday morning 16 senior members of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps were arrested. "These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people's movement," CNA reports. "Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran." This report has not been confirmed by other sources. If true, it shows that the regime is losing the loyalty of some members of its control appartus, which is necessary if the opposition has any chance of achieving fundamental change. Mass rallies can easily be broken up and revolutions crushed, as we saw at Tiananmen Square in 1989. But if members of the armed forces, police and especially Revolutionary Guards decided to switch sides, then one can begin speaking of revolution.

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Except for the minor issue that the US hasn't initiated anything and this is entirely being done from within. Facts can be inconvenient at times to your wannabe narrative.

 

The piece you link to starts out with:

"There is no transparency or accountability in Iran, so we may never know for sure what happened in the presidential election last week."

The piece says that there is a strong likelyhood of fraud, and spells out why, but it doesn't say categorically that there was fraud. Anyway its an opinion piece and not a news piece so bias is allowed.

 

Wasn't one of the opposition leaders who lost head of the council that oversees the voting? Wouldn't he have a clue to whether or not the election was going to be rigged?

I mean, this election sounds rigged, and the fact that it's now being "investigated" leads credence. I mean, the way the results were released sure is suspicious.

 

You are bad because I said so!

Juuuust outstanding.

It's none of USA's business how other people elect their whatever. When G W Bush were "elected" twice, people did not do **** effectively about that.

 

There is also a "possibility" that there is no fraud and the Iranians made their choice under the principle of DEMOCRACY. Great job casting doubt into people's mind. Powerful propaganda.

I say this not to insult anybody's intelligence.

 

There are a lot of irregularities though. Like counting 40 million votes in 12 hours, announcing results early, no polling station data, very consistent results across regions and between rural and urban areas.

Everything coming in 2 to 1....in cities, in opposition strong holds...etc. It's almost as if the vote wasn't rigged, it just wasn't counted, they just made up the results before election day.

Think about it for a bit, doesn't that seem incredible? Unbelievable even? What if Obama won every state and category, every slice, and every polling station by a 2 to 1 margin?

It simply isn't possible.

 

Here's a little more doubt for you: Mousavi lost in his own province.

We cannot have a scientific analysis done to show fraud when the Iranian government makes little to no measurements regarding election day.
Just try using some COMMON SENSE.

 

All these people (5 miles worth) who don't have access to Western media seem to be doing a pretty damn good job of casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election themselves:

 

The common sense is that there was no problem counting the votes in Florida in 2000!

It doesn't make any sense that Iranians elected a guy who is not a dog of the US......

 

Yeh, there must be 33214643 people on that street...

 

They did count the votes in Florida. Multiple times. And both candidates were allowed to be part of the very public process. It was adjudicated in the court system as the system allows for. It was a public process than went on for a month. Neither candidate was arrested. No winner was immediately declared and certified. No communication systems were blocked. Protests were allowed and occurred - none of the people were shot or attacked.

Do you see a difference here?