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[cnnsi-podcast]Robert Horry makes his argument for the Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. pmac

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    Could someone outline the criteria for induction into the Hall of Fame? What is its purpose? Who deserves to get in and why?
     
  2. AntiSonic

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    That's the thing... there's no real standard. You can get in for riding coattails. You can get in for a gimmick. You can get in for owning a team. You can get in for tearing it up overseas. Etc.

    Dick Vitale can get in for being a goofball but Horry can't for being the greatest clutch shooter of his generation?
     
  3. cjstukenholtz

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    David Robinson's name needs to not be included in the list because they were never teammates with the Spurs. Horry signed with the Spurs as a free agent on the insuing offseason after David Robinson retired.

    One has to wonder if his towel-throwing incident on Danny Ainge could have had anything to do with him getting those five championship rings he got in addition to the two he got with the Rockets. It did lead him to getting traded to the Lakers, where he would get to team up with Shaq the same way he would get to team up with Hakeem. Jerry West, the Lakers' GM at the time, may have had his eyes peeled on how Horry would fit in with the Suns after the Rockets traded him over there as part of a package in the Charles Barkley trade because he had those aspirations of seeing him team up with Shaq like the way he teamed up with Hakeem.
     
  4. Yunion05

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    Wow, Horry was cold — in the playoffs.

    He just wasn't spectacular enough in the regular season, that's true...
    But he must have had that good reason to keep himself like that in the regular season, you know?

    Horry has regular season career averages of 7.2 points, 4.9 rebounds and 2.2 assists per game...having looked that up.

    So, he probably is not suitable for the Hall of Fame. But if they had something else you know, like some people have said (whatever they called it, I forgot)...
     
  5. tinman

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    Horry - "That was no luck shot, I've been doing it all my career. He better read a paper"
     
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    I agree 100%. Rodman should've been in the HOF by now if not for his antics. One of the best defensive players and the best rebounder of the era. The guy averaged 13 boards throughout his career and 18.7 in 91-92. DHoward couldn't even carry his jock strap. He completely mastered the art/science of the rebound--he knew based on how the ball left the shooter's hand which side of the rim to put himself. Plus you gotta respect anyone who could get under the skin of Karl Malone (by grabbing his a$$ no less).
     
  7. STIX

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    Give Robert Horry a Hall of Fame spot..

    Common which other player can say his a great clutch player AND advance into the playoffs every single time..
     
  8. tinman

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    He has to have the best return on investment for any team.

    His highest salary is 6 million from the Lakers.

    Compare that to some dude who makes 20 million a year and brings no glory to his team and fans.
     
  9. tycoonchip

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    Who ever says he doesn't deserve a spot should not be posting on this forum or visiting this site. The man is a champ and a proven winner. He knows what it takes and does all the small things that makes a championship team. The Championship teams that we've had will always be my favorite Houston Rockets roster of all time.
     
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    BSB said he'd go in as a Laker. If he made it in he'd be a Faker. Nice #4 type player. He was traded (the 'second' time) because when the Rox had all the injuries in '96 he 'disappeared'. Horry disappeared for months at a time. Then, Voila! a well timed 3 in the playoffs and, Wha? HOF?

    No thank you. Nice player, nice guy. Contributor. Asset. But so is an assistant coach. Head coach gets paid; Horry gets rings. But JustSayNo to the HOF.
     
  11. tinman

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    Horry didn't disappear til at least the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    Actually Horry didn't disappear, he made others disappear.
    That's what happens when you win championships, the team you beat disappears.
     
  12. xiki

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    Kenny Smith, 2 rings. Chuckles, HOF. Should 'the Jet' (sic) join Barkley in Springfield? Sammy has 3 rings. HOFer?

    What about Super Mario? James Posey? He was C's 'missing' ingredient, or so they said.

    Back in the day, Bailey Howell or Don Nelson? They were big parts of lotsa jewelry.

    Magic is a Hall of Famer. Bird. Kareem. Michael. THE DREAM! It took Calvin years and years and he was a terrific player. Horry? Nice guy, nice player, a lot of 'on the stage', late in the game daggers. HOFer? Not close, not worth the debate.
     
  13. xiki

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    If BBS, then: D-Fish, HOFer? His legend is long...his fingers adorned with rings.
     
  14. tinman

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    dude, read the first post. Robert Horry, himself, is making his argument about the HOF.

    Should I guy who's so confident that he helped teams win 7 titles not feel he deserves to be in when they let college announcers in?

    I'm with Horry on this one, if you let a whole bunch of other people in, he should get a shot.

    hey, did it start with BBS? read the article, listen to the MP3.
    Did I make this topic up? no.

    Did Dick Vitale play any games in the finals?
     
  15. DreamRoxCoogFan

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    the most made threes in the finals is a fluke- obviously if you've won 7 rings, you are going to play in many many many more games than actual three point specialists- does that make Horry a better three point shooter than reggie miller? No. Hes played in way more games in the Finals than most other players.

    As for HOF? I'd say no because of what others have already said- his stats dont support it and Ive been a little disappointed with Horry because he could have been an amazing player in this league if he had put the time in, he is a very big underachiever with all the gifts he had. The guy has 7 rings, he should be happy with what hes got.
     
  16. tinman

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    Robert Horry being content is not what got him 7 rings. And no making 3 pointers in the nba finals are hard, you know this. making clutch shots are hard.

    Did you watch the last NBA finals game? ask those guys.

    Horry feeling he deserves HOF status. You should expect that from a guy who has helped win 7 rings.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    Not even remotely close to a HOFer.

    You have to be more than lucky (played alongside several HOFers to get rings) and clutch (sank some historic shots) to get into the HOF.

    Next question.
     
  18. xiki

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    Mr Dude, sir

    The arguments made about Mr Bob's HOF credentials require comparisons IMHO. Horry may be self-promoting but it is a specious argument, again IMHO.

    I like the guy. He had a decent career, a Forest Gumpesque career, but not academy award worthy; not HOF.
     
  19. Obito

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    7 rings is enoigh. I say he doesen´t get the vote.

    He should be happy with 7 rings and the meaning to the word clutch.
     
  20. mdrowe00

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    Man, I love Robert Horry.

    Professional player who mastered the clutch shooting performance. He was the ultimate glue guy. A role he perfected early in his first two years in the league.

    Robert Horry didn't ride anybody's bench to get any of those rings he has. He was sought after for the express purpose of being who he had already established himself as by the time he left Houston—a good player who will rise to the occasion when the opportunity arises.

    Can't have a better teammate than that.

    But I believe the Basketball Hall of Fame to be about career consistency, fro day one of the season until the day your team wins the championship.

    Robert Horry is a guy who plays his best when it matters the most. That's rarer than Sicilian cavier. A lot of players in the Hall of Fame don't have quite the credentials of "moments of greatness" that Horry seems to have, and that's because of the media we have.

    But, even with the results of those moments being championships, Robert Horry didn't do anywhere near enough to get in the hall of fame, in my opinion.

    I make the argument all the time that players define themselves by the time they're done, and that teams define themselves by winning.

    Horry's a winner. No question. But he's not a hall-of-fame player.

    And for the record, Dennis Rodman should have been a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, white-wedding dress or no...
     

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