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Yao Needs to Be Watching Howard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SageHare6, May 27, 2009.

  1. wekko368

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    So you're basing your opinion on one game whereas your dissenters are basing their opinion on hundreds of games...

    Because flopping is so prevalent and rewarded, the only benefit from increased aggression is that it ensures that Yao won't play more than 30 min a game.
     
  2. choujie

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    That rarely happens. 9 out of 10 times Yao'd be fouled out playing aggressively.
     
  3. wekko368

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    Howard is being neither physical or ultra aggressive. It just appears that way since all of the Lakers' bigs (excluding Mbenga) were on the bench.
     
  4. choujie

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    Howard played much longer minutes and he goes for block a lot way more than Yao on one end, pushes through to the basketed way more than Yao on the other hand, and he gets way more FTs than Yao just for touch fouls WITH or WITHOUT ball.

    I've seen too many games to believe Yao doesn't get treated like Howard, not even close.

    It is when Howard plays against Yao and refs let both play physical, then Yao domintats him. Most of the games, Yao is not allowed to half of the things Howard does.
     
  5. t_mac1

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    that's what we think b/c yao rarely plays aggressively every game. he still gets his stats b/c he's so good, but aggressiveness is something that wavers.

    lets bring up the utah series. yao was ULTRA aggressive in that series offensively and he went to the line 10 times for the series AVERAGE.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    b/c yao actually IS physical v. howard. he actually BANGS v. howard.

    howard does that against EVERY center. yao just does it against a FEW centers.
     
  7. roxwin

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    Everybody knows Yao and DH was being treated diff,even player themself.I said many times,if Yao does what DH did,he will be fouled out in 10 mins.

    DH IS THE BEST CENTER IN THE WORLD.oh,no.if he playes this way in FIBA,he will be fouled out in 5 mins.so,DH IS THE BEST CENTER IN NBA.
     
  8. roxwin

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    You must be kidding me,FEW centers?you blind?
     
  9. t_mac1

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    please watch objectively.

    in the playoffs, yao has been called for an average of 3 fouls in 35 mins of play. yao only got to 5 fouls once.

    howard has been called for an average of 4.3 fouls in 38 minutes of play. howard has fouled out 3 times.

    yao will risk to foul out some if he plays aggressive, but it will work to his benefit in the long run. howard was in foul trouble quite often earlier in the playoffs.
     
  10. choujie

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    NO. Because Refs actually allows Yao play physical against Howard.

    Refs [ONLY] allow Yao to do that against Howard and Shaq consistently.
     
  11. choujie

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    Utah played too dirty in that gamy, refs had to call something. There were so many fouls refs let go, that'w why Yao only shot 50% with tons of TOs.

    if they called fouls like in Orlando's last two games , Okur wouldn't have played more minuts than Bynum.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    like my post above stated, howard does play physical and that comes back to bite him at times as he has fouled out 3 times in he playoffs and gotten in foul trouble NUMEROUS times. but if you do it consistently, it will only work in your favor.

    when yao gets a call against him when he gets aggressive, he backs down and stays passive for the most part. we've all seen that. i wish he would stay aggressive. pick up another foul, fine. keep staying aggressive, and he'll get his calls.
     
  13. choujie

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    No because refs ALLOW Yao to play physical against Howard.

    They ONLY allow Yao do that against Howard and Shaq consistently, but they allow Howard to do that against most teams.

    It's basiclly the biggest reason why Yao dominates Howard head to head.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    when have you seen yao play physical the whole game even after he got calls go against him?

    howard gets calls go against him, he goes out and throw another elbow. '

    like i said, i do agree with you that yao gets shafted at times. but then when yao gets that bad call, he goes into a shell.

    howard gets bad calls too at times (as i've said, he has fouled out 3 times in he playoffs alone), but he STAYS throwing elbows, playing physicall...
     
  15. choujie

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    Yao got 4 fouls before 4th quarter several times in playoffs WITHOUT being overly aggressive.

    And Howard got his share of bad calls against Lebron James, who gets calls on another level.

    No matter how you try to spin it, Howard and Yao are treated differently by refs, too many agems proved that.

    when Bynum, Odom tried to be aggressive, they got killed by refs too.
     
  16. wireonfire

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    Self aclaimed Mr. Objectivity.....
     
  17. dyu66

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    The absolute truth! Both Yao and Howard can only be as dominant as referees allow them.
     
  18. choujie

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    Because Yao can't do that while Howard can. Howard would get away with a lot fouls early in the game, so he can keep being aggressive. but Yao won't get that. That's the difference.
     
  19. dyu66

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    Only if he is 6'10.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    are you saying those guys are treated differently? NO B/C BYNUM AND ODOM ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR LACK OF AGGRESSIVENESS. refs DO take players' perceptions into account.

    if tracy and lebron drive and both get fouled "marginally," who do you think is going to get the call? lebron will.

    if yao or howard do the same thing 50/50, he's gonna get the call in their favor? howard will.

    it's as simple as that.

    PS - howard fouled out once v. philly and was in foul trouble in 2 of the 6 games v. boston.

    like i've said, i have never seen yao stay aggressive an ENTIRE game consistently, despite bad or good calls for me to judge what will happen if he stays aggressive the whole game. however, i do believe if he does, the refs will start seeing that perception change.

    like dikembe said, when you're a 7'6 big man and you flop, you tend to get some time of perception.
     

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