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2009 Offseason [Trades, Free Agents]

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ItsMyFault, May 17, 2009.

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  1. stroker

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    Would a sign and trade deal with Boston for Glen "Big Baby" Davis be feasible? Big Baby's a UFA and would command much more than the MLE so could we package a deal for him?
     
  2. BimaThug

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    Big Baby is a RESTRICTED free agent.

    Guys, as a general rule of thumb, unless the player is a former first round pick whose team option was declined, any player with three (3) or fewer years of NBA experience will always be a restricted free agent.

    Big Baby is a former second rounder with only two seasons of experience. Hence, he is a restricted free agent.

    Luis Scola will be a restricted free agent, since he would only have had three seasons of NBA experience by then.

    Carl Landry will be a restricted free agent next summer IF the Rockets decline to pick up the team option on his contract for 2010-11, since he would only have had three seasons of NBA experience by then. However, if the Rockets pick up the team option on Landry, then Carl will be an UNRESTRICTED free agent in 2011, since he would have four seasons of experience by then.

    Someone like Morris Almond, however, would be the exception to this rule, since he is a former FIRST rounder whose team option was not picked up by the Jazz. Hence, even though he was drafted in 2007, he will be an unrestricted free agent. See above.

    Please apply this rule when trying to decide whether someone is a restricted or unrestricted free agent. It will avoid a lot of misinformation being spread on this BBS. Thanks.
     
  3. BimaThug

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    ^^^ Of course, my reference to Scola is regarding his free agent status NEXT summer.
     
  4. rocket1710

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    His contract expires after this season. So we do get one more shot with McGrady.

    I love how people bring up McGrady being injury prone. Didn't Yao get hurt again this season? Both players need to be properly used early in the season so they can get through the Play-Offs without getting hurt.

    So Tracy's gets his minutes limited early on and we need to hae the balls to play a back up 7 footer 20 minutes a game.

    We do not need to make any drastic changes this off-season. Draft the best talent available if we can get a pick and sign a 7 footer who plays with energy, blocks shots and rebounds.
     
  6. ItsMyFault

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    If the Knicks will offer Gortat was much as an MLE... we have no chance to get him... I know Gortat will go after money.
     
  7. el_locoteee

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    And the chance to play a lot and have his stats blow out of proportion playing for D' Antoni.
     
  8. Chamillionaire

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    Mac

    for

    Okafor
    Diaw
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    filler
    cash compensation

    Yao / Okafor / Hayes
    Scola / Diaw / Landry
    Battier / Barry
    Ron / Wafer
    Brooks / Lowry
     
  9. hlmbasketball

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    Just read on hoopshype that the rockets are in contention for the Grizzlies #2 pick. Who do you think they are going to trade? I propose Brooks, Scola or Landry and a furture #1. :D
     
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    Multiple trade with three teams:

    Trade with MEMPHIS:
    McGrady for 2nd pick + Jaric + Buckner + Darko

    Trades with PORTLAND:
    2nd pick + Jaric for Batum + Outlaw + Bayless + 24th, 33rd, 38th picks
    - Blazers own picks no. 24, 33, 38, 55, and 56.

    Dorsey + Hayes for TE + draft rights to Freeland
    - Blazers own $2.912,823M TE from Diogu trade
    - Freeland counts towards Blazers salary cap next season even if he isn't signed


    Trade with PHOENIX:
    Brooks + Bayless + Landry + Buckner + Cook for Nash

    Nash, Lowry, (vacant)
    (Artest), (Wafer), Barry
    Battier, Outlaw, Batum
    Scola, Hansborough/24th pick, Leunen
    Yao, Darko, Freeland

    • Team salary: $58.575,576M (not including Artest and Wafer)

    • League's hypothetical 2009-10 luxury tax figure is $69.4M

    • Rockets now have $10.824,424M of salary space to spend on Artest & Wafer or other free agents.

    • As the Rockets currently stand they only have around $5.8M of salary space to use...
     
  12. subzor

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    good in theory but wont happen in real life
     
  13. saleem

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    I like your creativity but having Tyler with Luis doesn't make sense to me.Tyler is a good player but we need a Landry like replacement to pair with Luis. Speed,athleticism,hops with smarts is what is required.
     
  14. Strawman

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    Kevin Martin and fillers for McGrady's contract.
     
  15. BimaThug

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    I considered starting a separate thread about this, but I figured it belonged in this thread.

    One wrinkle of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement that Daryl Morey may possibly explore taking advantage of is the fact that unsigned first round picks count against a team's total salary for purposes of determining cap space. This even applies to first rounders who sign deals overseas. Their rookie scale salary counts against the cap during the offseason, reducing a team's available cap space (if any) to sign outside free agents, but does not apply during the regular season for purposes of calculating luxury tax.

    For example, Joel Freeland (former #30 overall pick in the 2006 draft) and Petteri Koponen (former #30 overall pick in the 2007 draft) will count towards the Blazers' total team salary this summer. Before 2009, this was not a problem for Portland, since both players have deals to play overseas, meaning that there are no luxury tax ramifications for the Blazers. However, now that Portland has cap space for the first time in several years, having Freeland and Koponen on the "roster" reduces that precious cap space by about $1.6M.

    (As an aside, I am not positive exactly how rookie scale contracts work for players drafted in prior years who play overseas and then join their NBA team in a later year. Based on the salary information I found for Rudy Fernandez, who was drafted #24 overall in 2007 but did not come to the NBA until the 2008-09 season, Rudy was paid based on the rookie scale salary for a 2008 first rounder. Therefore, I assume that any overseas former first rounder would be "worth" the CURRENT year's rookie scale salary for the slot in which such player was taken.)

    By that same token, if the Blazers were to take, say, Omir Casspi with the #24 overall pick this year, even though Casspi has made it known that he is willing to play overseas next year to develop, his rookie scale salary (~$903k) would STILL count against the Blazers' team salary for purposes of determining cap space. This salary slot, combined with Freeland's and Koponen's, add up to about $2.5M+ eating away at Portland's cap space, which it intends to use on a quality veteran to add to the core of young talent it already possesses. With Portland currently projected (based on initial estimates for the 2009-10 salary cap) to have only about $6-7M in cap space, that extra $2.5M+ could be huge for the Blazers.

    This is where Morey comes in.

    The Rockets could offer to "buy" the rights to Freeland and/or Koponen, or to simply buy the #24 pick, and the Blazers might just be willing to listen. At least more intently than in prior summers.

    This same principle holds true for other teams expected to have cap space and who are looking to maximize that space. For example:

    --Detroit may explore trading the #15 pick (~$1.4M rookie scale salary) plus another contract (Amir Johnson's $3.7M salary for 2009-10) in order to clear enough space to go after two major free agents (rumored to be Ben Gordon and Paul Millsap).

    --Atlanta may be willing to part with the #19 pick (~$1.1M), but probably only if it is convinced it won't be able to retain Mike Bibby. Otherwise, it actually makes more sense for the Hawks to hold onto that pick to improve the depth of their weak bench.

    --Memphis might want to trade the #27 pick to clear cap space for a significant . . . oh, who am I kidding? The Griz aren't going to spend their money. Bunch of cheapskates.

    Anyway, you get the drift. There are opportunities to be had taking advantage of some teams' desperation to maximize cap space. Morey would be well advised to go after those teams' first rounders, either this year's picks or prior year's selections who have been playing overseas. Portland and Detroit seem like nice candidates for a move like this.

    Get it done, Morey.
     
  16. larsv8

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    I am going to go all "worzel gummidge" on this one. :D

    "* There have been widespread reports that Phoenix could deal center Amare Stoudemire to the Wizards for forward Antawn Jamison, the No. 5 overall draft pick and guard Mike James and his expiring contract. When asked if the deal seemed like anything more than a rumor, a Western Conference executive put it this way: "It's a definite possibility, I guess."

    * One thing that's not in doubt: The Wizards are actively dangling the fifth pick for a starting veteran. They are said to have contacted San Antonio to find out about the availability of Manu Ginobili, but that rumor was quickly shot down by both sides. The Wizards may also try to make a run at unrestricted free agent forward Shawn Marion (Toronto) or guard Ben Gordon (Chicago).


    So combining the two tidbits above...

    Rockets send Tracy McGrady + Carl Landry to the Wizards for Antawn Jamison + Mike James + #5 pick

    Washington gets a huge expiring, a starting veteran, and a cheap youngster, saving ~20 million long term

    then we combine this with the Memphis rumors...

    Rockets send Aaron Brooks + Chuck Hayes +Trade exceptions + Future first to the Grizzlies for #2 pick and Jaric + Buckner + Darko

    Grizzlies get 20 million in long term relief and a great young PG

    So leaves our rotation:
    (Rubio)/Lowry/James
    (Harden)/Barry/Buckner
    Battier/Artest/Jaric
    Jamison/Scola
    Yao/Darko

    + #2 and #5 to use how we please!!!! (Rubio/Harden anyone?)

    (oh yea and 72 million in payroll LOL)
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Well, if there is evan a REMOTE possiblity that Manu is up for bids, I am 100% in favor of going after him. The more Argentinians on the team, the better.
     
  18. CHI

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    I don't know if this means anything for us, but Steve Nash was on Letterman tonight, and said he wants to play for the Knicks.

    Sure sounds like PHO may be doing a firesale... or it could mean nothing.
     
  19. Da Wink

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    Just read on espn that Mavs will trade Josh Howard for the 5th pick..if this is true, can we make a play for Caron Butler?
     
  20. baller4life315

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    It's only a rumor so you might want to be careful with your wording. Here's the full blurb you are referencing. It's a crime ESPN Insider actually charges people to read this stuff:

     

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