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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by chenjy9, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. Blake

    Blake Member

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    quoted for truth
     
  2. logicx

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    Agreed. So quick Q, then. Knowing that Tracy might come back, knowing that to be effective, it seems he has to see the ball a lot (ie inefficiency on the way...), how does Tracy fit in on the team? Can he fit on the team well? What is that role, scorer/playmaker? Etc. Etc., you get what I'm saying.
     
  3. Aznoob

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    His primary role has to be the playmaker when Aaron Brooks is in the game.

    His primary role has to be the scorer when Kyle Lowry is in the game. He has to defer to Yao, obviously. But I'd rather Tracy try to score, than Ron.
     
  4. thesaint

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    SIGN ARTEST. Rockets need tough players like him. He might not be consistent on offense but Rockets need players like him for defense and attitude. Sign Wafer as well, need solid bench. N backup center. Other than that i think Rockets r good enough to compete in playoffs again next year.
     
  5. yuisakata

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    The Rockets need a FINISHER that's not named Tracy McGrady
     
  6. studogg

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    I'm glad that Morey doesn't share your view.

    In the past Morey has been quoted as saying he knows he has to pair another star with Yao. They felt that was McGrady. I'm sure they don't feel that way now. This was when we already had Ron, indicating that they don't feel he is a "star".

    Ron is a nice complimentary player, oddly enough, for the intangibles he brings. The Rockets need more athleticism, length, and players that can create their own shot.

    The good thing is, Morey has put together such a nice acoutriment of players with reasonable contracts, I firmly believe that he will get a player(s) that fit the bill.
     
  7. TeamUSA

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    ... and championship is what makes the best player of the team a star, just like Billups and Wade.
     
  8. zjupiter

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    good point.

    Yao, scola, artest, battie, nash!

    starting line up in my dream
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    His role is as trade bait, he doesn't fit.

    DD
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I would take another star player, but I don't think you HAVE to have one....big difference in what I am saying and what you think I am saying.

    DD
     
  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Name a team in the last 20 years to win the championship without a star player. And don't tell me Chaucey Billups isn' a star.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Uh, Yao and Ron are stars.....so what is your point exactly?

    DD
     
  13. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Chauncey Billups was not UNTIL he found success in Detroit. Prior to that here are his stats each season:

    11.1 points, 4.3 assists
    11.3 points, 3.3 assists
    13.9 points, 3.8 assists
    8.6 points, 3.0 assists
    9.3 points, 3.4 assists
    12.5 points, 5.5 assists

    Until he went over to the Pistons, he was a slightly above average point guard at best. Definitely not a star player. He merely bought into a system that worked for him and evolved under it.

    The only two players that could be considered "star" quality going into Detroit were Richard Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace. Most people would agree that Richard Hamliton is more of a Ben Gordon type of player, a scorer but not a star. Rasheed Wallace can be considered a star player if he ever tries consistently. However he was reduced to a 14 points/8 boards PF when he joined the Pistons.

    Another example would be during the 2006 FIBA games where the US, looking for the gold, sent in a team with this roster:

    Joe Johnson
    Kirk Hinrich
    Lebron James
    Antawn Jamison
    Shane Battier
    Dwayne Wade
    Chris Paul
    Chris Bosh
    Dwight Howard
    Brad Miller
    Elton Brand
    Carmelo Anthony

    I am sure we all agree that team with heavy with "stars" and hell, they even got Batman in there. Point is, we lost to Greece in the Semi-finals whose best player was a guard called Vassilis Spanoulis. We all know how the story of that particular player turned out. Now we can all say that he did not have the opportunity to achieve, but that is just an opinion. Fact is, when he did play, he sucked it up. Then he through a temper tantrum like a kid and ran home.

    Greece did not beat us with sheer talent or with any stars. They beat us with this magical concept called "teamwork." Now I realize that in this era of superstar glitter and bling, a lot of people have lost sight of what basketball really is. They see aggressive dunking, high flyers, posturing, and people going one on five and hitting improbable shots over them. That is not real basketball. That is the sad state of what basketball has become, where people mistaken athleticism and shooting touches for skills and techniques. As exciting as that is to watch, that is not what basketball is. More unfortunately, since it brings better ratings, that is all Stern cares about and continues to move it towards a "star" game. It is a team sport with team play. Everyone works together as a unit effectively and efficiently. Yes teams in the past won with stars, but those stars understood the game far more than the youngsters we have today.

    For more information, here is how Greece beat us. They ran the pick-and-roll to methodical perfection. They never strayed from the plan, never lost sight of each other or the bigger picture, never played selfishly, and never panicked. USA was faster, more athletic, and more famous, yet they were beat 101-95 by a team whose roster to this day only player who made it to the NBA and after a few seasons, flunked out.
     
  14. Melechesh

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    I'm afraid I have to disagree.
    Billups & Hamilton are star players.
    And yes,they're way better than Artest/Brooks.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    We have two star players in Ron and Yao.....if you build a good complimentary team around them they are fine.

    And BTW, Yao creates huge mismatches with all the attention he draws, just build around that....

    DD
     
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    Last night at Edwards Marquee, after the movies I think I saw Glen Davis walking pass me.. Don't know if he lives here or has friends but won't it be cool if he was the backup center...
     
  17. VanityHalfBlack

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    Never mind, he's a forward...
     
  18. Melechesh

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    I don't think Ron is capable of exploiting those mismatches.
    We need a quicker SG.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I agree, I would actually trade Tmac and Ron....for a better attacking wing and better more efficient complimentary pieces, and keep Battier as the defensive wing.

    I value efficiency.....over anything else.....and I think Tmac's is going downhill fast, as is Ron's......so get something for them while you can.

    If we had to keep one, I would keep Ron, he is far more competitve than Tmac....

    DD
     
  20. Melechesh

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    I like the way u think. :cool:

    I have high hopes for Von Wafer.
    He has all the quickness.
    He could be a starter next season if he shows improvement in ball handling and decision making.
     

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