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[ClutchFans] Top 5 Teams For Rockets To Plunder in Trades

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jun 3, 2009.

  1. dexkk

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    I seriously hate the notion of Redd being a Rocket. The thing that really gets me is that people want to solve the problem of Tmac by replacing him with Redd. Come on people, you really want to replace injury-prone Tmac for injury-prone Redd? He played like 33 games last season.
    By the way, I will take a healthy Tmac over healthy Redd. If health wasn't an issue, what is?
    Also, I have nothing against trading Tmac but I'd want younger players in return. Redd is already 29.
     
  2. GOAT

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    not sure if you have been reading the reports, but Bucks are being rumored not being able to resign sessions and villanueva. where we step in is Brooks and Landry are cheaper than the both of them and not a huge drop off. Plus the Bucks are losing money right now so they are trying to dump salary. when you are dumping salary there is no point to waiting, if you wait that means you don't need to dump salary so just keep the players. Think about what you wrote and you will see it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
     
  3. Smacktle

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    WOW! :eek: great read Clutch.

    Please keep Landry. Camby is too old. In Morey I trust.
     
  4. GOAT

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    if you can get a Grainger by all means get him first, but I can't see a team giving us a younger player right now. Not for Mac, unless they were really in money trouble. Put it this way Redd package will be a lot better than a vince package or a tyson chandler package (paul not coming)
     
  5. hotdamn

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    Please dont trade with Clips and GSW. I like chandler as a backup or PF position bu thats it. I see nothing else from NO. The best team is Suns, if we can somehow get Amare or NAsh that would be great. Only problem i have is they refuse to play D. I would love to get a trade with Wiz and someone get Caron. That would be great.
     
  6. dbigfeet

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    Great Work Clutch.

    I would love to see Camby as a back up 5. Or get Amore without losing our core pieces that made this team tough and scrappy. Please Please please do not get Chandler. That Robin is NOTHING without his Batman (Chris Paul).
     
  7. JoeBarelyCares

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    http://ktar.com/?sid=1175731&nid=624

    Gambo: Amare will be dealt

    I spent a lot of time on the show Tuesday talking about trade scenarios for Amare Stoudemire. One of them was a deal with the Boston Celtics in which the Suns might be able to land the talented point guard Rajon Rondo -- a player they once drafted.

    It's no secret that the Celtics like Stoudemire, they are one of about 10 teams that have shown interest in the power forward. And it's no secret that the Suns will be shopping Stoudemire hard once the NBA Finals are over.

    The Suns have no intention of giving Stoudemire a contract extension of which he is eligible for this summer and they certainly don't want to let him walk after next season when he has the right to opt out of his current contract. So Stoudemire will be dealt and there will be some good deals on the table to give STAT a new address. The Celtics will show interest and could put together some enticing packages. But it is unlikely that Stoudemire will be wearing green next year.

    First and foremost the Suns still want Steve Nash to be the point guard on this team and want to extend him another two years. Second, in any trade involving Stoudemire they would like to get another big back. The Celtics deal I discussed centered around Rondo and Ray Allen, two guards. So while I believe Rondo can be had for the right price, I just can't see the Suns wanting to end the Steve Nash era at this point. Remember, they still need to sell tickets to a fan base unhappy with last season's results and dealing with a tough economy.

    The most likely trade partner for the Suns is the Washington Wizards who have some good young talent on the roster as well as having the #5 pick in the upcoming draft. The Wizards have several players the Suns would be interested in, including Caron Butler, Nick Young, Andray Blatche, JaValee McGee and of course the pick. Washington could use the athleticism and size of Stoudemire up front to team with Antwan Jamison and a healthy Gilbert Arenas and give the Wizards a formidable threesome to contend in the East.

    The Suns could get back a solid player in Butler, a young player with talent to groom and a top-5 pick with which to grab another young player and start the rebuilding process. This is as important an offseason as Phoenix has had since they brought in Nash and Quentin Richardson five years ago. While trading Stoudemire seems to be all but a given, the Suns absolutely must get back quality and quantity to justify the move. And in that scenario, Washington might just have the upper hand on making a deal happen.
     
  8. FLASH21

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    I pick this one. That would help us out at 2 positions in 1 while giving up relatively nothing. Twaun brings more size, athleticism, and skills at the 4. CB brings scoring and athleticism to the 2 or 3, plus we still have Tracy's expiring to play with possibly for another big.

    Just do it! swoosh ;)
     
  9. vjohnson

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    I would do the suns deal in a second. If there was any way that deal came to like we would automatically be the best team in the league.
     
  10. rimrocker

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    Nash is a 34 yo PG and Amare has potentially serious eye problems. Neither like to play defense. I don't think Amare has the personality to carry a championship team. I'd take TMac's personality over his.

    If you're going to do a major trade that changes the basic makeup of the team, you not only need good players, you need the right personalities. I don't think Nash or Amare bring that.

    I also think NO is the prime target this year. They have to deal Paul this year whether they admit it or not. If they saddle him with a crappy team, relationships break down and he demands a trade, which lowers what other teams will offer. They can get the highest value for him this summer. It'd be nice to get him, but I'm more than fine to be the third team in that trade or some of the other big ones that go down.
     
  11. fogo11606

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    I wish Tmac will comeback in top forms and we can net a Dwaye Wade in my wettest dream. :p

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  12. Mike Hunt

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    Please just get Danny Granger
     
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    I personally see Amare and Carter as reachable goals. Both would provide an upgrade in talent, w/o us having to give up more than one young player plus expiring.

    That said, I'm REALLY hoping we could truly get someone like Granger or Paul. Under normal circumstances no team would ever give up young superstars. So now that the conditions are right, we really should try to get one. While Morey's number crunching can land us good role players cheap, you just can't get stars the same way.
     
  14. jump shooter

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    I don't see Les or Morey paying Chandler that type of money as a backup center and potentially going into luxury tax hell. I could see them doing it for Camby as part of bringing in some other talent, but not for Chandler. Les would probably fork over the dollars for Amare Stoudamire, he's always iminated that for the franchise to go into the luxury tax it would have to be for an over the top type player ie.(Amare). I would consider T-Mac, Brooks and Landry for Amare, Barbosa and a draft pick (don't know if that works cap wise). There are tons of good PGs in this draft and I'm pretty sure Morey could come away with a future diamond in the rough.
     
  15. Clutch

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    One of my favorite posters (Deuce) had emailed a scenario that made sense, if you were assuming that New Jersey and New Orleans both just wanted $$ savings:

    To New Jersey: Tracy McGrady
    To New Orleans: Bobby Simmons, Brent Barry, Joey Dorsey
    To Houston: Vince Carter, Tyson Chandler

    The only snag is while New Orleans saves some money long-term, they actually take on a couple million more in salary for 2009-10, which doesn't help them at all with their luxury tax problem ahead (actually makes it worse). You could do the deal without Barry, but the Rockets would take on additional $5 million in salary (instead of $3M). I'm not up to speed on the Rockets payroll and how close they are to the L-Tax line, but I assume that would push them over (which would probably kill the deal for Les).

    I think this is the type of Mark Cuban special the Rockets are looking for though.
     
  16. apxn82

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    man I can see T-mac go POSTAL on someone if that happen. I mean allowing his cousin to come to the Rockets and become a stronger team with Chandler backup Yao? I dont see that happening.
     
  17. BimaThug

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    I understanding your point, GOAT. But just look at the numbers.

    Let's say the Bucks wanted to get out from under Michael Redd's contract. If they wanted to make a trade with the Rockets involving Sessions and Villanueva (via S-n-T) in exchange for T-Mac, Brooks and Landry, here is probably how the numbers might look (all figures being projected 2009-10 salaries):

    Redd ($17.0M)
    Sessions ($7.0M)
    Villanueva ($7.0M)

    for

    T-Mac ($23.2M)
    Brooks ($1.1M)
    Landry ($3.0M)

    Bucks trade out about $34M in salary and take back only $27.3M from Houston.

    BUT . . . the Bucks are actually INCREASING their team payroll by $10.3M with this trade, since they didn't have to sign-and-trade Sessions or Villanueva. Yes, they add young pieces in Brooks and Landry, but if the Bucks primary motivation is financial, why would they make a deal that added over $10M to their 2009-10 payroll?

    That's all I'm saying.
     
  18. BimaThug

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    ^^^ Oops, I meant the Bucks would trade out about $31M in the hypothetical trade above. Same point, though.
     
  19. ROXTXIA

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    It would be great to have such talent (Vince, Chandler) on this team, but the scenario means we still have guys who need to get paid next year.

    If we trade Tmac for hefty contracts, what do we do with Scola and Landry next year, and Brooks in a season or two? We'll already be at the luxury tax line.

    Unless we trade away Scola or Landry or Brooks along with Tmac. If the right player came along, it could happen. And by the "right player", I mean to say, Amare Stoudemire (perchance with Leandro Barbosa), or a Stoudemire-caliber player.

    Otherwise, trading away Tmac needs to bring in return a solid player + a large expiring (Kenny Thomas? Brad Miller? Camby?) and maybe that highly-coveted first round pick.
     
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    Great article, Clutch. I am officially pumped for the offseason.

    I'm not big on going after over-the-hill vets like Nash or Vince Carter. Of the two, I'd prefer Vince...but I want to see us grab a player that's going to be here and be effective for several years if we're going to trade away our biggest financial asset (Mcgrady) and potentially some of our young bait (Brooks, Landry).

    Camby, on the other hand, if he can stay healthy, would greatly increase our title chances next year...even though he is older. We might be able to get him and one of their young guys if we take on Randolph (baller4life pointed out earlier in this thread that his 2-yrs remaining on his contract isn't all that terrible compared to guys like Ellis, B.Davis, Peja, etc.). And who knows, maybe Randolph would end up contributing positively in the right atmosphere. He's been with some terrible teams, from the Jail-Blazers to the Knicks to the Clips. I'd rather take on his contract than tie us up for 4 or 5 more years with another guy.

    I like Amare, but don't want Nash or Shaq and neither should the Rockets, so hopefully that's a moot point.

    Chandler is intriguing, but even more-so is Chris Paul. He's the homerun out of all these scenarios, followed closely by Danny Granger.

    If we lose Artest, I'd look into Tayshaun Prince and/or Rip Hamilton in Detroit.

    Morey definitely has his work cut out for him. I can't wait to see what happens.
     

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