Hedo was a good sixth man back in those days. He made some clutch shots in the playoffs. I remember Grant Napear(Kings announcer) with "Hedo...Hedo... HE DO!!!!!!!!!!!"
Believe me, I , as much as anyone want to eat my own words. Unfortunately though, T-Mac's career is over and anyone being lulled into the false hope he promises like "I feel like I'm back" every time is just naive.
Yup, TMac of Turkey sounds great. Takes some of the worst shots like TMac, like super long range 20-23 feet two point jumpers.
when turk attacks the basket he doesnt know how to kick the ball out. he just attacks and throws up a shot hoping it goes in. he's not that good a playmaker. he can pass out when he's in the perimeter but once he's inside, he cant. cant believe some of you guys could compare him to tmac or grant hill. he's closer to lamar odom. he's a good 3 pt shooter on a set shot. he handles the ball well enough to bring it down the court but not good enough when driving into the lane. he can pass but not nifty passes, only simple ones.
Agreed. He also frequently misses Dwight Howard inside on S/R situations. He doesn't have the same vision that a LeBron or T-Mac have. As an offensive player, I'd compare him more to Stephen Jackson.
Are you watching the same Orlando games that I watch? Because I've seen Turkoglu pass out on many pick and rolls into the open 3-point shooter in the corner many times. Some of those wild bankers he puts up on his drives are almost as good as alley-oops to Dwight Howard. There are many instances where he will get both defenders on him in a pick and roll with Dwight, leaving the weak side defense to box Howard out. Sometimes, it doesn't happen (since there's always a guy in the opposite corner three) and that's when you see Dwight get his offensive put-back dunks. I don't get where the Lamar Odom comparisons come from. Odom is an energy guy who lives in the paint. He has no outside shot. Both are good passers because they are tall, but Odom lives more inside whereas Turkoglu is a perimeter wing.
I strongly encourage you to look at this rationally instead using petty copouts. What are you even objecting to here? The fact that I called Hedo a rich man's version of Grant Hill? Because right now that's exactly what he is. We all know in Hill's prime (basically after he left Detroit and started getting hurt every year) he was an elite player and one of the most dynamic talents in the league. Sadly, he was never the same after he left Detroit and if you factor Hill's post-Detroit career numbers they're very close to Hedo's career numbers, for comparison's sake. Hedo has since turned into a player of his Hill's mold and is clearly better than him right now (hence the "rich man's" label). There's nothing wrong with saying that. Both players are versatile talents capable of playing multiple positions that played their best ball from the SF spot. Both are smart players, fluid athletes and underrated defensively. Both have exceptional ball handling and playmaking abilities. Scoring definitely isn't a problem either given that both are efficient players that have a knack for getting into traffic and using a variety of floaters, fadeways, etc. I realize Hill never had a 3-pt shot like Turkeyglue does so that's one of the few noticeable differences between the too. Hardly enough to object so strongly to an otherwise valid comparison. Compound all this with the fact that Turkeyglue essentially replaced Hill in Orlando. I like it. I'm not saying it's perfect -- Kukoc is probably better, it just didn't come to mind right away.
Wow at the Turkoglu comparisons. He is easily the weakest link on the starting 5. Cant beat his man off the dribble most times, and is usually the game killer with those one leg off balanced 3's he likes to take when he's tired.
Not to put you on the spot here but I guarantee you wouldn't be able to find one professional analyst or expert that agrees with this statement.
That was apparent quiet early actually. Back in early days of Kings under Adelman, when they met Lakers, Peja was being his regular choking self and Webber was another guy who kept shrinking under pressure. Hedo actually had some big games as a rookie against the Lakers in the playoffs. As a rookie, in that series itself he had shown that he had skills which would have kept him in the league. Most importantly, other than Bobby Jackson and Mike Bibby who joined the Kings later on, he was one of the few fearless players on that gutless Kings team.
His shooting has been off this year compared to previous years but the Magic rely on Hedo to create most of the offense for them.
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Read carefully mate. What copout did I use???? I objected to you writing that he is a "Rich Mans Grant Hill". Don't even know how you can say that. First off you have to decipher that there are two versions of Grant Hill. Pre-knee injuries(Detroit) and post-knee injuries(Orlando and now Phoenix). If you wanna say he is a "Rich Mans version of TODAYS Grant Hill" then sure, feel free to do that. If you are tallking about Grant Hill pre-knee injuries then it's an insult to Hill imho. The points have already discussed on this thread, Turkoglu is not as explosive a player as Hill was pre-knee injuries, quick on the dribble, strong to the rim and Hill was a far better playmaker. Turkoglu is finally developing that part of his game but Hill had that when he came into the league. Hill had a decent three-point shot but like most young players he never called upon it as often as Turkoglu did/does. All in all, what i'm trying to say is I'm not factoring in Grant Hill post Detroit because he became a shell of his former self with all the injuries. If you wanna say Hedo is a Rich Mans version of G-Hill post Detroit then sure go ahead and do that but let's not say Hedo's even close to the G-Hill Detroit version(pre-knee injuries). But at least we can agree on the right handed Kukoc comparison.
The copout was the "skill set" blurb that people seem to use a lot out of either necessity or laziness. Seeing you employ it there looked like a classic example. While you're definitely underrating Hedo's overall game and value, I can at least see you're capable of putting together a decent response unlike some of the newbs and rookies around here with their one-liners. As for the section I bolded: I did all of that. In fact, I thought I clarified my stance fairly well. That his Detroit years are such an afterthought, you hardly even remember him as a player that used to be one of the best players in the league. That there's plenty of similarities between Hedo and a POST-DETROIT (there, caps this time) Grant Hill. I think that's a valid comparison. Not as a good as Kukoc, though. McDyess is another good example. Does that fact that McDyess used to average 20-10 automatically disqualify anybody from drawing comparisons to the version of him right now? No, of course not and that's all i'm saying.
Agree. Rafer aslo plays the same style as before, taking the ball to front court,and then giving it to Hedo.
