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Tracy McGrady arthroscopic shoulder surgery

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BrownBeast99, May 29, 2009.

  1. KingCheetah

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    Now you are correct.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    And they will trade our championship hopes away as well then.

    I hope you don't get that wish. I want to see us win another championship. This is why I disagree with you Dada. You may not like T-mac's way of doing things, but he's the only guy accessible that can lift us over the top of the other teams with superstar closers.

    You have to have one of them.
     
  3. lalala902102001

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    Chances are that TMac has played his last game as a Rocket. If Morey is smart as we all think he is, he should not count on McGrady being healthy next season.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    You can disagree all you like, it is just an opinion.

    You just happen to be wrong.

    ;)

    Tmac won't win anything because he dominates the ball and is not EFFICIENT enough to lead his teamates to any significant playoff success.

    If he shot 45%+ and 40% from 3pters then sure.....but the fact is he is inefficient compared to other alleged superstar players.

    And when one guy dominates the ball, the other team let's him get comfortable doing it, then takes it away late, and the team loses, especially against better teams.

    Tmac is no longer an efficient player, you can replace his skill set with someone younger, cheaper and more efficient.

    The team is very close now, as is.....and the young guys will get even better by next year.

    Just trade Tracy and get something decently valuable in return and get back to work.

    DD
     
  5. Yao#1

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    You cant seriously say that there isnt hate for Tmac. If you say he should be traded thats business. If you say he should be benched, thats business. If you say the team is better without him, thats business.

    Calling him McLady, McLazy, saying he needs a heart transplant that is childish hate, because any Rox fan benefits from Tmac getting healthy and playing good next year whether it helps the Rox directly or pumps up his trade value.

    Lastly, if people truly feel it is all about business then they have no right to bad mouth Tmac about anything he does. If the Rox are only supposed to look out for the Rox, which I think they should, then Tmac should only look out for himself. Not saying its right or wrong, but if you say there is no loyalty in sports then it works both ways.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Tmac did exactly that, when he decided to have elective microfracture surgery, and elective shoulder surgery.

    I don't really blame him, he should do whatever he should.....

    Just like the organization should as well.

    I do blame Tmac for his lack of professionalism in how he treated the organization in announcing his surgery before the trade deadline through his blog.

    That was classless.

    I have no info, but what I think, is the org and Tmac have reached an agreement to treat the matter with professionalism, but I truly believe that Tmac is going to be traded, and probably in the summer.

    DD
     
  7. tinman

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    I thought you said it was just me and AntiSonic that didn't believe in Tracy McGrady?
    :confused:
     
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    In the very last game of Michael Jordan with the Bulls, they were playing the Jazz in Utah in the finals. In the previous game, and especially during that particular game, Scottie Pippen's back was severely injured yet he played finished the game and won the championship.

    You may have missed the context of my post. The point there was that, injured or not, McGrady's absence in the second half of the season made the Rockets play better as a team, and, significantly enough, they won the first round. Something McGrady has never been able to do while all the excuses for that have been rehashed over and over throughout a whole decade of his failure.

    There is no question that he is a uniquely talented player but talent is not everything in team sports. All the excuses in the world will not make any difference to the empirical evidence- he has never won a first round series in his long career.
     
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    Let's face it, we shouldn't kick him when he's done. But we are doing it because he has done honestly nothing for us. Really? What has he done for us that Yao hasn't done? He won scoring championships and that's it?

    Listen guys, I loved the Tracy McGrady when he was in his prime, but those days are over. When Tracy McGrady failed to get that dunk against the Bucks, I thought that was the nail in the coffin for me. Tracy McGrady's best days are over and nobody can dispute that. His career may not be over, but his best days are.

    As for the surgery, I could honestly careless because we are one year away from Tracy no longer being on this team and hopefully we can get another scoring wing player with passing abilities.

    Here's a picture on SlamDumb to make us all happy.
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  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Again, Lebron and Kobe dominate the ball and hang out at the 3 point line when they aren't involved....

    Yet people don't criticize them for doing that.

    Do you remember the time when the t-mates on this team were so bad that without t-mac or yao we'd have a .15 winning percentage?

    THis team has improved, but it hasn't had the privledge of a healthy yao or t-mac.

    Efficiency isn't just measured by shooting percentage. Let me explain. In basketball, there's more ways to contribute then scoring.

    T-mac increases his efficiency in three ways. Let me explain to you since you seem to miss these consistently.

    1. Drawing double teams and generating assists. T-mac is so effective at this that he generated the most assists on the team per game. More than the pg. In other words, players score more easy buckets because of T-mac. This leads to greater efficiency on offense because it helps his teammates get easy, high percentage shots. One of the biggest recipients of this was Yao Ming. How many late minutes dunks in the 4th qtr did Yao have with t-mac driving and dishing to yao. many. since t-mac is gone? Yao never touches the ball. You think Yao doesn't miss t-mac????

    2. Getting to the ft line. Before his injury, t-mac would get to and shoot a high percentage from the ft line. This adds to your efficiency of course since ft's are a high percentage shot.

    3. Being able to take shots under duress. When the shot clock is winding down, or the team is struggling to get a shot of because of opponents D - you always have a last second option - get it to t-mac and he is the best at getting a decent shot off. Who carries that burden now - Ron Artest. And look at the awful shooting percentage he puts up.

    I will take T-mac over Artest taking a shot with 1 sec left any day of the week, any week of the year, and year of this decade.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Sorry Lou,

    The Tmac era is over, dead, buried, kaput.

    He is a tradeable contract now, nothing more to see here.....
    DD
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Thanks for the update Morey. Can you send me a link to his podcast that talks about T-mac being traded away and not playing for the Rockets next season?

    Oh wait...you lost it right?
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Gonna have to wait for DD's Rocket talk, I will explain everything there......

    If you don't believe it fine, I feel a sig bet coming....

    :D

    The Rockets do not need a low efficiency, always injured player who dominates the ball, quits on his teamates, doesn't play hard consistently, and throws his team under the bus at the first sign of duress.

    Nope, he is just not a winner.....we are better with him as a tradeable asset.

    Period !


    DD
     
  15. t_mac1

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    hopefully you're right. b/c it would probably be painful for you to watch if tracy still wears a rocket jersey next year.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Not at all, if the team decides to go that direction, I will support whatever they do....

    I just think it is basic asset management to try to trade him though and take advantage of his contract....to make the team better.

    Whatever, we shall see.......I think he has tinkled in his Rocket's bed, and the org will trade him.....

    You guys don't....we will just have to wait and see......whom is right.

    :D

    DD
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You are right, we don't need that type of player. But instead we have t-mac. A guy who when healthy does a lot for this team.

    This other guy you talk about....sounds like Scottie Pippen, don't think you have to worry about him coming back.

    But with t-mac, who brings more efficiency to the offense then people who don't know basketball think - is definitely in Morey's plans.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Tmac is not healthy, hasn't been for years, probably won't be EVER again.

    It is not hatred, it is cold hard reality, you trade players like that to teams that hope like heck he can still be that star he once was, strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.

    Nice attempt at a personal attack about guys who don't know basketball...lol....but at the end of the day, we are all talking opinions....

    It would be great if Tmac came back completely healthy and was totally committed to playing TEAM ball within the system.....

    But I would bet both of those will never happen......so.....you trade him.....to a team that wants a player who once was considered one of the best in the league and are willing to hope he will be again.

    Pragmaticism over the "Make a wishism" people, every day of the week.

    Yes he is, as a trading chip to make this hard working team better.

    DD
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    He was healthy enough last year to lead us against Utah in a heroic effort where we didn't have a chance. That was awesome what he did. Its ashame he's been hurt and only now getting the necessary treatment.

    Your approach is flawed, because you suppose that we can trade t-mac for something that will help us become a BETTER team. But that's the problem, you won't get anything that will make us better. This team needs two things other than to be healthy.

    1. It needs a back-up center
    2. It needs a superior perimeter threat to prevent teams from focusing so much on Yao.

    T-mac is number 2. If we could find another one, that would be fine. But you aren't going to get it for an expiring contract my friend. And without it, we can't win in the later rounds.

    2nd round doesn't = champion Dada. Nope. This is a good team, not because t-mac isn't there, but because Morey has worked hard.

    Now let's have t-mac back healthy and then judge. That's the smart thing to do. Not trade him away for scraps so we can have another also-ran year. If you want any hope for a ring, you know trading t-mac will kill that hope.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Scraps? Who said that? You are making massive leaps of logic to try to prove your point.

    Tmac is a goner, you can tell by what the organization says when it is asked about these issues....Morey "The surgery was not really necessary"......

    Sounds like a guy who is protecting his asset's trade value, not someone worried about him getting healthy and contributing.

    Look whatever......I think he will be traded.

    I believe his teamates are tired of his act, the drama, the lack of committment to playing defense, the quitting on them on the court, the whining in the media calling them out for his own personal failures.

    Tracy has burned enough bridges, it is just that too many others here, who are fans of his, are not willing to come to grips with that reality.

    I offer you a challenge....please name one formerly great wing player over 30 who had major knee surgery, and came back as the same player or even close to that player as he progressed in his career......

    Tracy's contract has more value than Tracy the player right now, several teams will be looking to save money by trading valuable players along with a bad contract or two.

    Morey is a smart business man....he will turn Tmac's contract into gold for this team...

    I am certain of it...

    DD
     

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