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Yao Needs to Be Watching Howard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SageHare6, May 27, 2009.

  1. CountyClerk

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    ^^^ This.
     
  2. leebigez

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    I see you didn't watch the games. Camby want a problem, their problem was they were overloaded at the 4/5 spot. Nene was making 11m,Martin,16,and camby 10m. Camby's was the oldest and most easily to move. He defended the post as good if not better than martin with his size. Martin can guard perimeter players better. The insertion of Billups and Jones made them a better defense this yr along with birdman.
     
  3. WeMissDekeMan

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    Who is your take El Loctee, when both are healthy who is the better player and center to you? I've seen you post on other sites, and I believe you said Dwight, but I'd like to know your reasonings. I do think you are a solid poster.
     
  4. Obito

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    Fail.

    I've had "Yao for MVP!" on my signature for the whole regular season up until the post season ended.

    But no you wouldn't know that because your ignorant poster and who has no other debatable attributes to your argument...except reading people usernames.

    So when you snap out of the failing attempt of a point that you have in your assumption. My opinion is in previous post.
     
  5. leebigez

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    Why don't you go to Yao Ming Mania if all you want to do is ride Yao's johnson. This is about the rockets of course, but once in awhile, try watching basketball. If you don't think howard, from just watching his performance all playoffs is the best center in basketball at the age of 23, then put the pipe down.
     
  6. el_locoteee

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    He is strong in his upper body but don't have a strong lower body and he is not that tall to challenge post player with jumping.

    That's why player like Perkins, or Maxiell who are shorter back him down with no problem. When your are defending the post your leaping ability is useless.

    Just look at Bird man they guy is great weak side shotblocker but Gasol back him down like he wasn't there.

    Look at Ron and Hayes they can't jump but players can't post them up and be successful, in the other hand Kobe was blocking and jumping and playing great defense but when he try to defend Ron or Melo on the post he just got owned.
     
  7. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Howard is the Magic best player, so yes he led the team not Lewis.
     
  8. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    Then why don't you tell the haters on here who think Ron Artest and Luis Scola led us out of the 1st round instead of Yao? :rolleyes:

    This will be useful in the long run. :p ;) :)
     
  9. Obito

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    Yao can be as dominant as he wants against ANY post player in the NBA right now but that won't stop fronting.

    Yao has the talent to shoot and hook but all that goes away any time teams want to front him.

    Sadly he can't do anything to prevent with the way refs are these days.

    It's like a big strong snapping turtle that will destroy any foe with one chomp but when something/someone gets behind it (ironic) and flips it on it's back.

    It's dominance is terminated.
     
  10. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    I'm not going to get in this who the best center thing because both are nice players, but if I was starting a team I'll take Howard hands down.

    Now who have said Ron and Scola lead us out of the first round? Yes they helped but the real reason was Yao for the most part. His numbers wasn't all that great but because of him the other players got a lot of open looks.

    I think a lot of people on here just doesn't like to give Howard any credit because of their love for Yao which is pretty crazy. Dude just had a great game on the team that most people had going to the finals. He out played the MVP do people not realize that. I'll bet my life if the Rockets had beating the Lakers with Yao, and to top it off Yao went off for 40+ with 14 rebs the same people saying what Howard didn't wasn't that special would be saying Yao is a God.
     
  11. leebigez

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    I agree with some of what you say, but howard does have a strong lower body. If he didn't, he wouldn't have the ability to explode off the ground. A guy like chuck has center of gravity to use in his favor, but the guys that play against chuck just get to a spot, turn and fire uncontested shots over him.
     
  12. 1individual

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    I think both are good but have their own talents. Yao can shoot the hook better and turn around jumpers all day. But Dwight is more aggressive and will dunk the ball all day. Dwight is a better defender and shot blocker but both pick fouls pretty quickly.
     
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    this thread title should be" Rockets Need to Be Watching Magics Center Using Strategy ' : ;)
     
  14. el_locoteee

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    Depends.

    A team that want to play uptempo and have enough fire power is a perfect match for Dwight. They built a team around him in Orlando, acquiring the most 3 point fire power and allowing DH to roam the paint at will.

    Now if you are trying to run the offense to your center, Yao is your option. He will attract double teams and will free others for wide open shots, but the problem is NBA change all the rules, and now highs scoring first option center are extinct. No center have been in the top 3 in scoring in a lot of years even when Shaq was still on his prime.

    Adelman offense is not made to pad stats to post player is base of ball movement and balance scoring. Although this was the worst statistical season of the past 4 years for Yao it was the best season in 4 years for the rockets even without T-Mac.

    Rockets need Yao scoring while Orlando need DH rebounding and Shot blocking. Houston record when Yao score 20+ is insane and Orlando record when Howard block over 3 is incredible. That's why team try to do anything they can to stop Yao and have a change vs Houston, while they do everything they can to stop Orlando 3 points and keep Howard of the boards to have a chance. Different type of player, different style of game, different personal, different conference.

    Is the debate of who is better Dwill or CP3, Dwill is perfect for Sloan system, CP3 for Nola. You can't go wrong with a fully healthy Yao or DH. But because health is a factor, DH have the upper hand now.
     
  15. durvasa

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    7-footer Kevin Garnett getting to a spot, turning, and firing uncontested shots over Chuck Hayes:

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  16. el_locoteee

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    Not really. What I said strong, I mean heavy lowerbody. DH have skinny legs just like T-Mac but both can fly. Is their DNA. White people have heavier lowerbody than blacks in average but black people can jump out of the building.

    Go to the gym and you will see some people that can lift crazy weight but don't jump much. is not how much you can lift but how quick and explosive you are able to do it.
     
  17. ubigred

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    This + 1
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    durvasa,

    You're right to a certain extent. Hayes definitely outdefends a lot of taller and longer bigs in the league. At the same time, you can't ignore that despite all of his defensive excellence, his lack of length gets abused at times. There are plenty of examples of Hayes getting shot over way too easily, including several examples against Portland and particularly, the Lakers.
     
  19. ibm

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    agreed for the most part.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    It doesn't depend. A fully healthy Yao still can't catch, still can't defend the pick and roll, still can't seal his man off either from the front or behind, still can't beat a fronting defense, still can't dribble the ball, still can't rebound out of his zone, still has trouble finishing in traffic, still can't run the break, still has conditioning problems, etc. Even health aside, there is no question Howard is the better center. He had a better season than Yao and had a far better playoffs than Yao even before Yao got hurt. Yao's numbers actually went down in the playoffs.
     

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