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Obama is shaping up to be the next Jimmy Carter

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, May 24, 2009.

  1. fmullegun

    fmullegun Contributing Member

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    Having not lived during the Carter pres I think he did fine. He was in at a crap time for energy. It also was not his fault the special forces failed to grab the hostages. Not a fan of the boycott on the olympics but whatever.

    I seriously doubt Obama will be anything like him. For one, he will not be anywhere near as honest.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    either that or he's an idiot
     
  3. fmullegun

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    or he got tired of waiting in gas lines. If that is the case then just make fun of him for being old.
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    so by knowing/experiencing carter's presidency he came up to the conclusion that he was the WORST US PREZ ever?

    what does he think about Richard Nixon, Calvin Coolidge, Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, etc?

    he said he wasn't being partisan with his position, but if he says someone is worst ignoring the fact that there are at least 10 to 12 others before him whom majority of historians and the public agrees are worse then he's ignorant..
     
  5. juicystream

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    Because I'm partisan I think one democrat is worse than another democrat? :confused:

    Historians focus on the presidency, not what situations they can succeed/fail in. It certainly doesn't hurt Carter that he is a nice guy, who has been more successful post-presidency.
     
  6. DonkeyMagic

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    where's obama's cool brother then?

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  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, you are partisan because you are repeating the recent wingnut meme of Carter being one of the worst presidents in history. There have been a LOT of presidents much worse than Carter, but I don't know that you can see past the curtains that Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly are putting over your eyes.
     
  8. juicystream

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    It isn't the reason for my dislike of Carter(I'm not old enough). I dislike Carter because he was not a leader. He was indecisive. He believed in appeasment. He lacked the ability to handle a crisis. He is a failure for inaction rather than a failure of action.
     
  9. wakkoman

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    It's HIS opinion. Why are you so defensive? And who the hell cares how historians rank them? Everyone has a bias.

    Chill out.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    He's defensive because most people disagree with him, and his own partisan bias is clouding his judgment.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    ROFL!!!!

    Based on the poll numbers I have seen, I am in the mainstream and you are in the kook fringe.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Please share a credible link. TIA
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    His opinion, that Carter was the worst president ever, is indefensible IMO. The point I was making was not about what order the worst presidents should be ranked in, but that anyone who thinks Carter was the worst has been twisted by the idiots at Faux News.

    I cited historians because they point out that Carter wasn't even in the bottom ten, much less worst in history. Having an opinion is great, having an opinion that is belied by all of the facts and available evidence is stupid.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yet again, I will pwn you with facts while you snivel and whine about whatever it is you wingnuts are going on about today...

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

    How does it feel to be in the fringe 28%?

    [outrageous French accent]
    Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
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  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    BTW, if you honestly believe that "most people disagree" with me, why are you and your twin scared to take me up on my challenge? I am but a lowly UHCL graduate, surely the advanced stuff they taught you at Rice should be able to overcome my use of facts, logic, and available evidence.

    BLOWHARD
     
  16. qiao

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    Wow, bigtexxx wants to talk real interest rate. Alright, why don't you continue to show us your vastly superior knowledge in this area by explaining to us:

    1) What's real interest rate?
    2) How to approximate the relationship between nominal rate and real rate (forget about Fisher Effect)?
    3)And most importantly, what's the relevance of talking about real interest rate in this context?

    And I thought that I was the foreigner and you were the native English speaker...Oh well.
     
  17. vlaurelio

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    you don't think these actions/reasons are worse?

    "More damaging to his name, though, was his weak acquiescence before the secessionist tide—an unwillingness to challenge those states that declared their intention to withdraw from the Union after Lincoln's election. Sitting on his hands as the situation spiraled out of control, he believed that the Constitution gave him no power to act against would-be seceders."

    "busied himself with golf, poker, and his mistress, while appointees and cronies plundered the U.S. government in a variety of creative ways. (His secretary of the interior allowed oilmen, for a modest under-the-table sum, to tap into government oil reserves, including one in Teapot Dome, Wyo.)"
     
  18. juicystream

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    Thanks for being rude and insulting.

    Nixon & Harding lacked ethics. They embarassed this country in ways that Carter never would. If I considered ethics more I would have to say Andrew Johnson and Harding were the two Presidents I would be most dissappointed in.

    Oddly you would bring up Coolidge, who in the poll andy mentioned, he was ranked 26 right next to Carter who was 25. Coolidge is one of the more polarizing presidents. He is one of those people that popular opinion, and historical opinion differ greatly. I am a believer in free enterprise, but I can't deny that some of those same policies led to the stock market crash.

    Buchanan I view much in the same way I do Carter. They both lacked the leadership quailty. The most important quality if you ask me. Obama seems to have this in spades. I think we'll have 8 years of Obama because of it.

    Hoover would be right there at the bottom for me as well.
     
  19. Rashmon

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    Where do you rank the Camp David Accords as a historical accomplishment?

    Think big picture...
     
  20. juicystream

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    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007243
     

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