Sure fans would be upset, but getting Tmac, Batter and Brooks and putting them along with David West is still a good basketball product to go see. Tmac is the wildcard because no one knows what he will come back to be. But lets not forget that he was consider a top five player in the league just two seasons ago. There are a lot of Tmac fans around the league, he a previous scoring champ and how many allstar appearances before this year's injury in which he still would have been one if mysterious votes didn't suddenly appear? They move Paul to get Chandler and Peja off the books as well...that's another 23 million in those two that they don't won't anymore....as was obvious in them trying to trade Chandler already. Everyone knows that they want to get rid of Peja's contract. So moving CPS is about the only way to do both at the same time. Trading with us gives them a lot of options and still being able to put some decent basketball on the court while having some interest in the team. Tmac, David West, Battier and Brooks. Most people will pay to go see them play together.
1. Resigning Artest isn't as hard as you think. We offer him what we can and if he takes it great if he doesn't then we move on without him. I love having him on this team and think he's a hard working player but I'm not going to lose sleep over not getting him back if he is going to try and get crazy money. And I still like Wafer if we can get him for under 2 million. 2. The veteran PG i was referring to was either a Steve Nash (trade) or Mike Bibby who is a free agent that we would have to sign with the Artest money if he will take that amount. The Suns are wanting to cut costs this season and with Nash wanting more money from an extension he will force them to trade him and we have Brooks or Lowry along with a huge T-mac contract to offer. 3. Sign Zaza Pachulia and call it a day. He is everything that we need in a back up for Yao and he's a unrestricted free agent. He made 4 mil last season so depending on what salaries we can dump (Cook) or depending on if players resign (Wafer, Artest) we could get a very decent backup center for Yao. 4. The SG we need to replace T-mac could come from several sources. We could try to get Richardson from the Suns along with Nash for T-mac and either Brooks or Lowry. We could also go after Rip Hamilton if Detroit is even entertaing offers for him(doubtful). I would like to get someone like Richard Jefferson even though he's classified as a SF, he shoots high percentage shots and is a consistent scorer that this team sorely needs. This would be one of the last things I would touch on the team because if Artest resigns we could keep the Battier/Artest duo on the court to start and it would still work just fine. I think I addressed all of your questions, let me know if I missed anything.
From ESPN trade machine: THIS TRADE FAILED The Grizzlies are under the cap, but this trade puts them more than $100,000 over the cap, and their incoming salaries are greater than 125% plus $100,000 of their outgoing salaries. Cut $15,426,490 from the Grizzlies incoming trade value to get within 125% plus $100,000 of outgoing salaries and make this trade successful. There was no way to put in the 2nd round pick, so I will admit that I am not positive on how that would affect the outcome of the trade, but I don't think it would affect the outcome of the second reason that the trade failed.
Here another deal that blows houston's out of the water; hornets - paul, Peja, Chandler - 40m OKC - collison, Watson, Atkins, wilkins, westbrook, green - 27m 13m difference in salaries is absorbed by OKC as they are under the cap. new orleans builds around westbrook + Green, and if they can move one of Collision OR Mopete OR Posey, they have enough to offer a max contract in 2010.
It Failed because the trade machine is working on 2008/2009 contract numbers, try this trade again in July, when contracts roll over to 2009/2010 numbers.
I have a couple of questions: 1) How are you getting 40m for Paul, Peja and Chandler? I have 28M, and I don't see their salaries going up that much in July. 2) Where are you getting all of your numbers from that you believe makes this trade work staying within the rule of incoming salaries can not be greater than 125% of outgoing salaries plus $100,000?
1) Chris Paul has a max extension that kicks in this year. 2) that rule only applies to teams over the cap, teams under the cap can absorb salary up to the cap.
I am not up to date on all those players and teams contracts and salaries other than what I find online at places like ESPN trade machine. So if they are incorrect, then they really should just take them down. Nevertheless, in that trade you proposed with OKC, what do you do with Green and West? Depending on Chris Pauls extension deal, I wonder if any of the trades proposed with the Rockets even work. I guess it's better to just wait to July and let all the numbers roll over to see what actually works or not.
I think you are SEVERELY underrating how much they love Paul in NO as well as how underappreciative they would be to get McGrady, Brooks and whatever else in return. You see the way we bash McGrady around here? It's only worse outside of Houston. You aren't convincing anybody that Hornets fans would be happy with that trade. Well, other than yourself since you want to believe it. Remember the reaction to the Sonics moving out of Seattle. Think that type of reaction on a smaller scale. Remember the reactions to the Gasol trade in terms of how lopsided it was? This would be worse and the group complaining the most would be people living in NO with Chris Paul jerseys in their closets.
my point is that unless OKC and memphis do something completely r****ded with their capspace, they have the inside track on any superstar sales in the NBA, because they have a combination of cap space + expirings + young talents that would blow any other team out of the water on any superstar trades.
You missed one big thing. In your initial post, you listed a set of things you want to get done. There was absolutely no indication that you only wanted one or some of those things done. In your point 2 above, you talk about having money to spend based on not signing Artest. That would mean we didn't resign Artest which means one of the "few key areas" we need to get addressed this offseason didn't get addressed. Once again in point 3, you talk about signing Pachulia. We don't have the money if we resign Artest. If we don't resign Artest, we don't have Artest. And as far as anything involving trading McGrady, the whole point of this thread is shedding light on how difficult that may be. As I said before, getting even one of the 4 items on your list will be difficult to accomplish, not even considering all 4. And signing Artest would impact your other plans since there would no longer be money to spend. Plus, we don't even have much cap space as is, right? I believe the only reason we are allowed to go into LT is that we have Bird rights on Artest, assuming Les is willing to pay the LT. Signing Artest alone will be more difficult than most people think. Adding a veteran starting PG AND a good backup C (since Morey won't just sign trash) AND trading McGrady in a deal that also returns a good SG on top of resigning Artest seems like a pipe dream. Unless of course you are now saying you only hope to accomplish one of those things on your list.
Nolocke, I just want to add the point that I hope we accomplish as much as we can to improve this team in the offseason and, for the most part, I think you have a good list of things that would improve the team. My number one priority is to find a closer/wing scorer to replace McGrady as soon as possible since I don't want to bank on him recovering. If there is some deal to be made that will retrun a 2nd-tier wing scorer (Salmons-caliber player) without giving up too much, I say get it done. I was pulling for us to get Salmons last year. He had a very reasonable contract and the Kings were rumored for months to be looking to move him to free up minutes for their plethora of younger wing players (Martin, Garcia, Greene, etc...). I guess I just disagree on the liklihood of more than 2 of those things on your list, at the most, actually happening by the start of next season. If we are able to resign Artest, I would say that is accomplishing a lot. I wouldn't be shocked if only 1 item gets crossed off your list. If we can find enough money somehow (trades or whatever) to resign Artest and get a backup C, I would be really happy going into next season. Basically, this is my list of goals, in general, not just for this offseason: 1. Scoring wing (SG/SF, closer type to replace what McGrady was supposed to give us) 2. Backup C (ideally a 4/5 type with good length that can backup Yao or along side Yao for certain matchups, Camby would be the type I am looking for) 3. PG upgrade or an upgrade to any position in general (upgrades are almost always a good thing)
Regarding the scoring wing position, I think at this stage it has to be Redd or Jefferson if a trade for tmac goes down. I think Golden state's contracts are too long, and New Jersey doesn't need to move carter since they have caproom in 2010 anyway because they moved jefferson last summer. I can't see any other possibilities without getting other pieces involved such as artest or scola.
Acquiring team can, and would, waive the physical. ALL NBA teams, especially those with some interest to major interest in McGrady know all his medical details NOW. Next February there will be teams with diminished expectations and differing needs from this summer: therefore, if (if?) TMac is going to be traded then when is his value maximized?
I definitely am not saying that all those things will get addressed. I'm just trying to show what would be the order in which I get things done and knocked out if I'm Daryl Morey. He definitely has a busy summer. Hopefully all our dreams will be realized this offseason.
We're trying to develope Brooks and I think a vetern PG BACKUP is better. Someone who can give quality minutes. Someone who can coach Brooks kind of like Deke did to Yao last year. We need to spend our time finding a very good backup center more than anything.
I looked it up if you didn't. None of those OKC contracts expire after next season but in 2010/11, NO would be on the hook for over $21 million less. I assume trugoy was aware of that. In that deal, NO would save money, get good young players in return and have much more manageable contracts they could move later on.
Actually Earl Watson, Damien Wilkins, and chucky Atkins expire in 2009/2010. NO would save 13m immediately, 13.5m expiring at the end of 2009/2010, which would bring them below the cap by about $8m, and if they could get rid of either collison, posey or mopete for an expiring, they would have enough to offer a 2010 FA for a max contract. Basically, if houston and OKC or Memphis go after the same player in a trade, Houston loses 100% of the time no matter what the offer is.
I thought it was a case of the GM (Jerry West?/Kevin McHale) gifting his old franchise (Lakers/Celtics) with a great player (Gasol/Garnett) for nothing - for the love of the old team colors (Purple&Gold/Green&White).
