Brooks/McGrady for Nash/change makes sense for the Suns. It would allow them to go into complete rebuild mode. They lose Nash's expiring contract, but get an even bigger one in McGrady. They get a young talented PG in Brooks. They trade away Shaq for younger players or better contracts. Next season, they would be horrible, but they'll have a brighter future in 2010-2011, with a high draft pick and cap space to bring in top-tier players.
Let's just hypothetically say the Suns were willing to do Nash for McGrady. The problem with that is either Brooks or Lowry wouldn't get playing time. That means whoever gets bumped out of the rotation would be giving us nothing and would also be walking as soon as they became a free agent. There is no sense in keeping Brooks and Lowry if we can get Nash. The Suns were interested in Brooks before we drafted him so I imagine they could still be interested given his pretty good playoff performance.
I personally consider them the same though, I mean i'm not going to guess who has the better career. I'd be more happy to trade Brooks and Tmac for Nash than Lowry and Tmac for Nash because if Nash is having problems playing defense, Lowry can more than make up for it. Lowry is the better all around PG though and his defense at times is amazing and doesn't get enough credit. This is going to be all on how good the Rockets think their team is going into next season and how good they think Brooks and/or Lowry is. I still would rather keep Brooks though and would rather have Amare Stoudamire who is also rumored to be on the blocks for whatever reason. We'd have Scola coming off the bench and Amare is the big men that Adelman loves to play with, he can sometimes play C too...well he'd be a better Center than Hayes was that's for sure
He's young. He can learn. You can't teach God given speed, or shooting ability. You don't trade Aaron Brooks for a rent-a-player.
shooting can be improved remarkably by repetition and practice. see amare, landry, vince carter, lebron, just to name a few.
That's exactly how I feel about it. He can only get better and Nash is a rental. Ron Artest is a rental also, but he's also turning 30...so he has a lot of good years left and has one more stretch run in his career. Nash more than likely is at the end of his stretch run. In my world i'd much rather trade Tmac and Landry for Amare but i'm guessing the Suns would want a lot for Amare more than we are willing to give up.
Personally, I'm just happy to be in the post-Rafer era. I'm not trying to hate on Alston who is a very decent player but I was looking forward to some kind of change at the point for a long time. If we end up with Lowry/Brooks next season, I'll be happy. If we end up with Nash/Lowry, I'll be happy. My bigger concern is the SG position. I don't want to go through another season with two SFs in the starting lineup. I think SG is our biggest need followed by backup C. Hopefully, McGrady can fill the SG role but I'm not very confident about that happening. Wafer is great off the bench and I hope we resign him. For backup C, I'd love to get a longer, more athletic 4/5 type that can play good defense as well as alongside Yao at times. I'm a Marcus Camby fan but I know a lot of people aren't feeling that.
pg is ok to be a little older compared to centers and he's experience and play making ability is perfect. He'll also keep the ball away from ron from over dribbling.
And I agree. I never said Nash wouldn't make us better, I just said he's 35 and i'm not down with the risk of getting any 35 year player. But the SG and backup C need to be addressed first. Tracy can address the SG position and I hope he can show us what he can do before the trade deadline. Rockets will have a tough decision to make if Tmac hasn't played a game going into the trade deadline. I love Marcus Camby, If we could get him he'd be the perfect backup C. Just like Deke but better right now. He's old but we're not asking much from him. Rockets have a interesting offseason and I trust Morey to make the right moves. Trading Rafer was the right one.
He's young, but not that young. 25 next season, many players are already in their prime by that age. He can learn. So is every player. But by how much? How long does it take him to learn? All core players are close to 30s, there is not much time left for him to learn, and he's not franchise player material. Nash's shooting is head and shoulder above AB's. You can't teach speed, you can't teach court vision either, most importantly, you can't teach IQ. Last time I checked, AB isn't your all star level player, I don't see why he can't be traded for a much better PG for a couple years, with the possibility to resign him
I'd be psyched about Nash coming over but imagine if by the end of next season, McGrady's knee goes out, Nash's back goes out and Yao gets another stress fracture. Unfortunately, that isn't as far-fetched a possiblity as it might seem. On the other hand, we would be a very, very good team on paper and Yao's window is closing fast.
Everything comes with risk. Miami traded for Shaq with a lot risk too. But is it worth losing AB for a change at Championship? Definitely. AB isn't even in the top half of NBA starting PG yet, far from a can't miss talent. He happened to have a good series to get his trade value higher than he actuall is.
Yep which is why I've said many times i'm not down with the deal, adding a 35 yr old player is not what I would do especially after our playoff run. But guys were saying I didn't know what I was talking about and etc. There are positives to every trade and negatives to everyone. I just like the negatives of keeping Brooks than the Negatives of trading for Nash. Brooks Worst Case Scenario- He doesn't get any better, but even so with him we're still a Elite team if Tmac-Yao-Artest stay healthy...depending on if we resign Artest. Nash Worst Case Scenario- He declines and despite how hard he works and how great of a player he's been. Father time is undefeated and honestly... Honestly...I don't trust our training staff with Nash. I said that in my first post here in the thread. Suns have a knack for extending these old guys careers and we have a knack for these guys getting hurt And Keith Jones is supposed to be so great but i'm just not sure but that is another story on another day.
KG and Ray Allen's team too before they got together and won championship. Only Barry has final experience here, we are not going to lose too many championship experience I guess.
well its gonna be tmac for nash, so if nash goes out and yao goes out, we'll have the same lineup as today, which is the same as tmac goes out. But at this point tmac looks more 35 to me than nash.
i can see that terrible scene, too. but it just is a risk you will have to take at this stage of the so-called yao-era. i'd give yao at least one more year since this will be his first free summer. with the current makeup and the mcgrady situation, if yao goes down one more time, all bets are off. we will have to go other directions and rebuild.
