how is something that in your opinion WILL happen a sure thing? and did you read other's posts? nash has only missed a few games here and there, not like what you claimed to have taken "many" games off.
how do you read the stuckey story? dumas was so high on him that he was willing to trade billups away (ai was just an expiring). has he turned out to be the next great pg? even when morey traded away rafer, he admitted himself that it was a gamble.
Uh, Nash played 74 games last season and averaged 34 minutes a game. For comparison, that's more minutes per game that Rajon Rando and 2 minutes less per game than Deron Williams. How is that "barely being able to play a full game anymore" like you said?
You've seen how badly this team has been effected by injuries, yet you say it's not about how many games he plays... Where's the evidence that Nash's numbers have trended downward in the least? Considering the pace they played at for the majority of the year, one could argue he produced even better than he did in his first MVP season. What if you're right? Will Nash will be exposed as a guy who only gives you 13.8 points, 9.8 assists, and 3.2 rebounds on 47%/42%/94% shooting? Oh my...better stay away from him since we already have a PG who is better than him in exactly ZERO of those categories (not to mention smarts, experience, and leadership). And this last part isn't in response to anyone in particular, but after reading some posts in this thread I figured it was worth stating again... If that's decline, then I hope every single one of our players is in decline next season.
that was a great video to show our entry pass problems. good find. i know it's a very small sample, but it does show the passers share the blame.
I was a little confused with your 1st post on here, Were you trying to say we should get Nash if we want to keep Yao, Battier and Scola? Or was that not the correct move? I had trouble reading that last sentence. And I would say we should get Steve Nash just for his ability to run the offense. Sure his defensive ability is nothing special, but neither is Brooks. Brooks is just quicker and is more willing to fight through screens. Nash can play in the halfcourt offense, I don't know where people are hearing the myth, that he's useless unless he's running and gunning.
Nash is not getting better physically, they literally have to micromanage his minutes. How much longer can Nash play in his prime? He's 35 it may be ONE more year and last year wasn't one of his best. Not ONLY that, Nash plays much better in a fast tempo game....while Yao plays much better in a halfcourt game...why do this? It's just a risk that could throw this team off and force us to rebuild in 1-3 years. Brooks has done just fine. Really, he's done a good job.
25 out of 30 starting PG in the league have a field day against Nash. Nash needs a run and gun system to be effective, and he needs a good defensive 2 or 3 to take over the defensive task. And he can't play along a slow big man. Nash is overrated, period.
What does his quickness have to do with his passing or decision making? Yes, the dude can score. But he sucks at being a "PG". He is a SG trapped in a small body. And if you don't think he is better than Nash, then you must not want us to put the best team on the floor to compete for a title....since we are in a win now mode. Are you saying you think we can get it done with Brooks, who can't give you two good games in a row?
Yeah look at numbers but the real numbers are those games he missed were because of his body. It's no secret his body is getting older, he even realizes that otherwise why are the Suns trying to trade him? There is just no reason to make such a big change when the team improved so much especially the guy your replacing has got raving reviews from his competitors.
I meant that if we are planning to take a shot at the title with Yao, Scola, and Battier as main pieces, then we should get Nash because the window for opportunity is small anyway. If there's going to be a youth movement, then maybe it's best to stay with Brooks.
how much longer can nash play? no one knows. maybe a year or 2, maybe he plays into his 40's like stockton? if i have to roll the dice, i'd rather do it on nash than on ab. will ab develop into a pg like derick rose? maybe, maybe not. but why count on an unlikely event (in your words, it's a sure thing since it WILL happen, lol) if we can get a sure thing in nash? this team will rebuild imo soon after yao leaves, be it 2010, or a few years later. so it's nothing personal againt ab, who has done alright so far, given his history and talent level.
please read my post. i conceded nash is better than him. but i'm not going to trade a youngster who has potential for a one year rental unless you can guarantee we can it all next year. and nash is no guarantee. like you said, brooks is a good scorer, and is improving. playmaking is not his strongsuit. but he was never one. a championship team doesn't need a true PG to win it all. what we need to do is either see if tracy can get healthy and resume his playmkaing duties and let brooks do his thing offensively, or trade tracy for another playmaker. but you do not trade brooks, especially for a guy who will probably play just one more year at a good level. you just don't. it isn't like brooks is the reason we couldn't do well this year. if you want to talk about inconsistency, look at ron artest.
nash played just fine (@ allstar level) in dallas, and did just fine with shaq (under porter or gentry). he does NOT necessarily need a 7-sec-or-less knda system to thrive. and we do have a defensive 3 in shane even if ron walks away. he might been a bit overrated in his mvp year(s), but he's certainly a better pg than the current ab by a mile.
Can you show us where he is getting worse? He played 34 mpg last season. And don't we have a young reserve PG so he won't have to play major minutes. A better question is when do you think Brooks production will surpass what Nash brings. In the next 2 seasons? I don't think so. Again, Nash has showed no signs of declining, and his game isn't built around the type of things that make you suck as you get older. Nash's numbers in the slow tempo last season still exceeded Brooks. I'm still waiting for anyone to answer why a guard who can pass, doesn't turn the rock over and is a dead-eye shooter would struggle in a half-court set. Do you guys even watch the Suns play? Do you think all of their buckets come off transistion or fast break points? You do realize that when they don't score off the break their plays usually involve Nash setting things up and either getting someone a bucket or scoring himself. Hell, just look at the games vs us (a good defensive team) and see how we couldn't stop Nash in half court sets. Aren't we going to have to rebuild in 2-3 years anyway, since every starter besides Brooks is in their late 20's? Brooks is a average guard. He isn't in the top half of the league at his position.
Basically none of this is supported by actual data. 1. Nash played 34 minutes per game last year and played 74 games. That isn't "micromanaging" his minutes. Deron Williams, considered the second best point guard in the league, averaged just two more minutes per game than Nash did. 2. One more year like last year would be all the Rockets expect. He is a free agent after that. Last year he averaged 16 ppg, 10 assits, shot 50% from the field, 45% from 3s, and 92% from the FT line. The only other point guard in the league who averages 15+ points, 10+ assists, and shoots 50% from the field is Chris Paul. Look it up. 3. Nash played with Shaq last year, a slow center, and played fine. Again, look at his stats from last year. Also notice that Shaq had his best season in years last year. Why? Because playing with Nash means he gets the ball in better position to score. 4. We already will have to rebuild in 3-4 years regardless of what happens. In 3 years, Yao, Scola, Battier, and Artest will all be 32+ in age, meaning their primes will be over. A team with Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry as the stars will never make it into the playoffs. They are role players.
If you honestly read the quotes on the link. Steve Kerr really doesn't have that much plans on trading Steve Nash, so really we are arguing for no reason back and fourth.
AB will not be Derrick Rose or probably never be a ELITE PG. So what? People are so star ridden that sometimes they fail to see that every position on the court doesn't have to be a all-star caliber player. chemistry has a lot to do with as well, and Yao ming has to play in a halfcourt offense, and Nash has to play in a full court transition one. AB is fine as it is and you need transitional pieces for when guys like Yao and Tmac leave. Otherwise you become the Kings or Pacers and you have to rebuild the entire team and suck for more than 5 seasons. Nash is 35, it is more likely that he is only going to go down soon if not next year, this is just natural especially for a PG who has played at a fast pace nearly his entire career. I think we have enough 30yr old guys. We just got this team quick enough and athletic enough to compete with teams like the Lakers and Blazers so now we're so quick to throw it away and roll the dice on this? Maybe trading just Tmac for Nash but not Brooks, no way. And I don't even know if I want to trade Tmac for Nash...he's 35 and has taken games off just because of conditioning.
