With all due respect, Clutch, why do you use this season's stats? This is when he played with injuries (or at least alleged injuries, depending on who you ask). To me the numbers in this season is just not a valid judgment on how McGrady contributes to the team. A more valid way to look at it is (1) the numbers in the past few seasons, and (2) the probability of him getting back to that level of play. And there is an added element: McGrady's fitness to Adelman's system. It seems that his style does not mesh well with Adelman's ball movement, sharing kind of game. But then, the same thing can be said about Artest, and possibly Yao.
Oh, good point... They were 1 - 0 without McGrady to begin the streak, so I guess they started it without him. If you can't remember last season, you should do your research before looking ridiculous. They were 22-1 with TMac in the streak. I understand that we were up 2 - 0 on the Mavs. I also understand that McGrady scored 31 ppg in that series with 7 assists and 7 boards per game. He also played some pretty good D on the Mavs best player, Nowitzki. And he shot 46% from the field and 37% from 3. I'm not sure what more he was supposed to do. In our 4 losses, McGrady scored 28, 36, 25, and 27. It's not like he didn't show up in those games... he showed up every game. It was the rest of the team, outside Yao and TMac, that were particularly bad, especially in the last game. The PF tandem was Scott Padgett and Flyin Ryan Bowen. The starting shooting guard was Wesley.
This is a post I made in November... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157270 The Rockets are going to have to find an elite scoring wing player if they want to win big. I don't know where that guy is, but he is not Tracy McGrady. If Flip Murray is given 25-30 shots a night, he too could put up McGrady's scoring numbers.
Oh yes I am....Ron dominates the ball, his personality is such that players defer to him when they shouldn't... Ron and Rafer did not get along because Ron didn't stay within the game plan, I am sure the other players see that too. I don't hate Ron, I just find him overated.... If his O was better, I would have no issue with him, but his O sucks and he shoots like he is having an O-rgasm. DD
This isn't fair DD. I'm concerned about Ron's offense as well, but this year was probably an aberration. His percentage was the lowest he's had in a long time.
Clutch you serious? You own this board and you think people are saying TMac makes us better?... except for one or two TOF I am not sure anyone is saying this... not after we played great without him and DEFINITELY not after we got passed the first round without him. I will however say this, please don't use the numbers from this year coz he was CLEARLY hurt. He was not even the shadow of himself from the very start. I am sure it will tell the same story but how about use last year's numbers? You only mentioned his FG%.
Good thread. How does the old saying go? "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". T-Mac is simply not a motion offense type player. Neither is Artest. Together they were borderline nuclear when playing on the same unit. You just can't have two ball stoppers out there like that and expect to get decent shots off and get everybody involved. And for as much as I would love to sit here and try to sell the idea of T-Mac adapting his game to fit a read-and-react offense, I think we all know that's never going to happen. Same with Artest. One of them has to go and given the economic climate the way it is and T-Mac's selling point of $23M off the books -- it's pretty evident which one of them needs to go.
That's a good point. Sure, when you look at this season McGrady was hurting the team. I agree. But he was never healthly and we all saw he pretty much couldn't even run without problems. People say Ginobilu is more efficient than T-Mac. Ok, he is. But if you look at McGrady from this year's perspective, you also have to look at Manu this way. Both SUCKED. Why? INJURIES. As for the ofense. I am sure McGrady, hell even Yao would love to have JVG back. Rick is a phenomenal coach (he finally got us to the 2nd round). But this offense is based on movement. I don't think it just fits well with stars like Yao, or McGrady or even Ron who need to have the ball in their hands.
Agreed. Like most young players, Brooks likes to jump in the air once he gets around his defender, that often resulted with a TO. I saw Nash did this when he was at Santa Clara, and first couple of years in the league; Park did this a lot too when he first entered the league, now both of them are masters of keeping their dribbles alive once get into the lane. I don't know if Brooks can ever get to Nash's ball control level, but he has learned & improved a lot since the playoff started. If he can just keep his dribble alive after past his defender, he will be a star in this league. Since this is a TMac thread, I'll just throw this into the debate. If the Rockets decide to keep TMac, then he probably will end his career here, considering his age & injury history. If that is the case, then the team probably will trade Brooks away, Aaron has to have the ball to be effective, the same is true with TMac. So if TMac didn't get injured, we wouldn't see the Alston trade, so you probably would see a Rockets team like a year ago.
To reiterate, this is regarding his numbers from last season... Tracy McGrady, our "shooting guard," is just a bad shooter. His fans are quick to jump to his defense when he is criticized and offer up reasons why he'll shoot better later, but the numbers don't lie. Last year he ranked 29th out of 34 "shooting guards" in the league in FG%. Below him were fellow all-stars Michael Finley, Jamal Crawford, Stephen Jackson, Larry Hughes, and DeShawn Stephenson.
Right, so is it that he is in a decline, or is it an aberation? Do you overpay for past performance? The problem is in efficiency and the fact that he NEEDS the ball to be successful, we need players that are more willing to be part of a team oriented offense. We do not need Tmac Light. DD
He is not going to regain that form because of his fear of getting hurt (which will keep him from being aggressive) which will lead to him just taking jumpshots. This will not help this team, because this team relies on a motion offense with consistent passing and all mcgrady will do is slow the offense down. If he can comeback and be the aggressive player he once was, he would definately be a huge asset, but I can almost guarantee that he will NEVER be that player again.
Don't be illusional. TMac doesn't deserve to be a Rocket, and he shouldn't be mentioned together with MJ, LeBron, Kobe, and Dwade at all.
Personally, as far as I see it a healthy T-Mac makes this team better for one reason more than anything else. He helps Yao Ming's game. Tracy McGrady is still the best entry passer to Yao on the team, with Battier being number 2. Teams can't double and triple team Yao when McGrady is on the court. The game becomes a lot easier, and more importantly less physically demanding on Yao when Tracy plays. I don't know what's going to happen with McGrady, but he could potentially still be an asset. I would still take him over Ron Artest though...
Billups has a higher scoring efficiency than McGrady. About 40% of his shots, come from the 3pt line, where he shoots 39% vs 34% for T-Mac. When he does take a 2pt shot, he creates contact and shoots 90% from the line. He ranked 4th in FT% for the 2008-2009 season. McGrady is a career 75% ft shooter, so when he does penetrate he misses his FTs quite a bit. Billups has a TS% 57.6 and a EFG% of 50.4. McGrady has a TS% of 52.1 and EFG% 47.1. Kobe has a TS% 55.8 and a EFG% of 48.8. Iverson has a TS% 51.9 and a EFG% of 45.2. McGrady is more of a low% volume scorer like Iverson than an efficient scorer like Billups or Kobe.
all these numbers incorporate an injured tmac, who was playing terribly because of his health condition, if you are going to compare any numbers compare them when he was relatively healthy, not when he is at 50-60% struggling to keep up with his man or even run down court, these numbers are pretty bias
