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ESPN: Rockets Among Teams Interested In Nash

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by nodstonothing, May 18, 2009.

  1. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    Well it's the fact that Nash makes his teammates better and is excellent at creating shots for others, even to this day.

    Aaron has most of the skills Nash has, except for the PG skills like a high basketball IQ and the passing ability.

    Although, Nash has been torn apart defensively in the past years in Phoenix. He's playing for the Phoenix Suns man, what do you expect? You expect him to play defense, when he's not even asked to? Under the Rockets it should change and even if it doesn't. We still have Kyle Lowry who's a great defensive PG in the bench.
     
  2. choujie

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    Nash's defense is poor, but not to that point. Per 48 minutes, with Nash on the court, Suns gave up 112.8 points per 100 possesions, with Nash off the court, 112.1 points. Not much a difference.

    But on offense, it's 117.8 vs 109.1, huge gain here.
     
  3. ibm

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    we want nash! lol. :D
     
  4. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    Well AB's +/- on and off the court defensively isn't much better either.

    http://www.82games.com/0809/08HOU1.HTM#onoff
    +3.4 when he's on the court for defense. He helps our offense, but he's no different than Nash aside from the fact that he's quick.
     
  5. justtxyank

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    I know you meant to compliment Nash, but I feel you did him a great disservice here. Brooks does not possess the skills Nash has, at least not at his level. Nash is an elite shooter from almost every spot on the basketball court. While Aaron is a talented shooter in his own right, he is no where close to being as talented with the ball as Nash. I doubt Aaron Brooks will ever come close to shooting 50% from the floor, and for all the praise he got for his 3 point shooting, he didn't even shoot 37% this past season from 3.
     
  6. TMac4Life#1

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    ROFLOL. WOW. i quit after that. Lets see. I believe the ball is in the point guard or wing player more than the center has the ball. Deron Williams broke down our defense by his dribble penetration. Chris Paul did the same. Brandon Roy. Kobe Bryant. LeBron James. need i say more. And you believe a center has more impact defensively than a win and point guard. Wow.

    If im not mistaken McGrady was guarding Adre Iguodola and he just blew by him and dunked on Yao. Where was the defense?? McGrady just let him go right by him. but the center is more important defensively than a wing or guard.
     
  7. Jeff Who

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    That's what I want, I am ready for that crazy stuff to begin.

    It is OFFSEASON BABY!
     
  8. choujie

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    Yeah, Ab's defense is even worse by those numbers. But I do see him improved in playoffs, rotating much faster than in regular season.

    Of course, AB played against 2 weakest PG among other western playoff teams, that helped.
     
  9. WeMissDekeMan

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    And who's the guy BEHIND the PGs and wings? The center right? The guy blocking and altering shots? The guy who's coming from the weakside?

    Nobody is going to slow down a guy like Dwyane Wade or LeBron James. The center is the guy who's going to have to change his shot everytime. There's a reason why LeBron James tends to suck against us and it's not ALL Battier and Artest, The credit goes to Yao and Mutombo.
     
  10. m_cable

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    I've been saying this in other threads lately but one trade that intrigues me is:

    Brooks
    T-mac
    Cook
    maybe some draft picks

    for

    Shaq
    Nash

    It doesn't work on those trade machines yet, but I've crunched the numbers and it should go through once they update the 09-10 raise for tracy.

    Phoenix would immediately get under the luxury tax and land a promising young PG in Brooks.

    Houston would have the ultimate Yao backup/insurance in Shaq. And 48 minutes of fresh Yao/Shaq would be devastating. We'd finally have a real offensive playmaker instead of letting Artest go crazy with the ball.

    This is the ultimate "win now" move. Just re-sign Artest and Wafer and this team would be ready to go to war. We'd have:

    48 minutes of mismatches at C
    A clutch, sweet-shooting, good decision making PG
    A pair of versatile/elite defenders
    A pair of energy guys at PF that can fill in the intangibles but can still score
    A couple spot-up shooters who can play off our PG/C's

    And the team would fit so well. We have the team defense concepts that would make up for Nash's deficiencies. Yao and Shaq would both could limit each other's minutes to keep them fresh/healthy. Shaq and Lowry would be great a drawing fouls, while Yao and Nash can come in to close things out with their great foul shooting.

    It's a risky move and you could be potentially giving up a future all-star in Brooks but it's so hard to win a title that you just have to take your shots sometimes.
     
  11. kawins

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    tmac is done as a Rocket, so stop this nonsense already.
     
  12. bsugfg

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    Not exactly...
    Nash has PG skills but look at Suns roster and compare with ours

    He can use PnR with Amare
    He can lob a pass to shaq

    What can he create when our team's 1st option is Yao???
    not to mention he doesnt like to play any half court game
     
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    I'd do that just for the entertainment purposes alone. That said, I don't think Shaq would be happy as a bench player.
     
  14. choujie

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    Interesting, but one big problem: Shaq has too much pride to play backup for anybody, and rightfully so. Both Suns and Rockets management will have to respect that.
     
  15. ibm

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    man, you're onto something bigger here. me like it. :cool:
     
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    I don't agree. A perimeter player is more responsible for his man, while a center is responsible for guarding against anyone that gets near the rim. A great defensive center can cover for the mistakes of his teammates much more effectively than a great defensive guard.
     
  17. WeMissDekeMan

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    I doubt it, Shaq from what I see is more of a ring chaser than a guy who wants playing time like Allen Iverson.

    However, we would easily be the worst defensive pick n roll team in the league by a complete mile though. I would fear if we had to play the Spurs in the playoffs.
     
  18. ibm

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    bball 101 here, really. ;)
     
  19. JBIIRockets

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    A positive spin to Nash's age is that John Stockton was 35 when he lead Utah to the NBA Finals in 1997, and at 36, took Utah to the 98 Finals, and tied for the best record in the NBA at 37-13 in 1999 as a 37 year old PG.

    So, if the Rockets traded for Nash, we are probably looking at 3 more good years out of him. Keep in mind Nash was somewhat of a late bloomer as well. He didn't really blossom until his 5th year in the league in Dallas (00-01 season.)

    I wouldn't be against going for Nash based on how effective Stockton was in his later years.
     
  20. JeopardE

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    Brooks has done pretty well against the aforementioned fast PGs -- and especially Chris Paul, who seemingly could never get going against him.

    The poster bringing up Yao has a great point. Having Yao and Nash having to defend the pick and roll against, say, Williams and Boozer -- that would not be fun.
     

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