Yes, I agree at certain degree, but if you put Ron on Kobe, he will get 40 points in every game, that is why our coach never put Ron on Kobe after he was abused by Kobe. The point is that Battier is so valuable for this team, so you can not replace him without much addition.
you have to remember, 50 plus wins even when 1 of our stars go down post battier. Would we still have won 50 games if we didn't have battier last year or this year? You don't think he makes that much of an impact, but you a wrong. Morey is not an idiot, battier is not going anywhere. Hell, if we need a scorer, why not just pick up Ben Gordon? he is available. (NOT!!! I don't want a ball hogging chucker and this includes no passing, bad shot taking RUDY GAY!!!)
That was the season where Yao and TMac was BOTH hurt. We are and still is a 50+ game winning team when one of them is healthy. With or without Battier.
Ummm...are you crazy? Salaries aside, Tayshaun is clearly the better player. He regularly shoots a better overall %, and on par from three (better this year), he scores more (as in double, based on this year's stats), puts up more rebounds and assists. I think Shane is the better all around defender, but Tayshaun is a pretty good fill in in that category, too. He's taller, longer, and younger. And he seems to have intangibles about him - he's a winner. I think there may be an opportunity to pick him up. For whatever reason, he completely disappeared in the playoffs this year. I mean, embarrassing no-show. So Dumars may be thinking he is overpaid - and he probably is anyway, but I'd rather overpay him than Shane. The real issue is there is that $3 million difference to make up. The only thing that I think you'd come close to doing is: Shane, Dorsey, Hayes for Prince + #15 draft pick. Though I'm guessing there'd be some b****ing by Rockets fans abotu giving up Hayes, too.
Yeah, Shane won't net much by himself. The idea is that you package him with another player to get that playmaking wing we need. I get the feeling most teams won't be as desperate for Mcgrady's contract as we think. We'll probably have to wait til mid season to move him (when teams have hit the panic button). So, not making a major move might be the equivalent to giving up next season.
I'm sure Morey will be getting more than a few phone calls. We have a lot of players whose values are at an all-time high - namely, Battier, Scola, Brooks and Hayes. Even Landry and Lowry have shown glimpses of their potential this year.
a defensive specialist, by default, doesn't contribute or contribute very little on offense. example ben wallace and our own chuck hayes. shane is different. his 3pt shooting, entry pass to yao and moving the ball on the perimeter are all important parts of our offense - under both jvg and adelman. kobe had at least 3 subpar games in game 4, 6 and 7. take his game 2 away you're looking at different numbers. we're talking about kobe here, someone you simply just don't shut him down or limit him to below his regular season average. and you meant "NOT untouchable", not the opposite, which i never said.
The best thing to do would be to blow up the whole team and play only d-leaguers. Think about it for a sec. Or an even better idea would be to hire 5 guys that are so enormously overweight that they'd have to be rolled onto the floor. If we place them in just the right places, nobody can drive to the basket on us or even post up. We'd be the greatest defensive team since Wilt and God.
I don't know what Artest would have done, maybe we didn't put Ron as much on Kobe because we needed Artest to be more of a scorer (which he wasn't able to) without Yao around. I am not saying Artest would have done a better job. I am just saying Kobe did what he normally does. We didn't stop or slow him down.
did i say shane is a better over player than prince? in this particular scenario, if detroit wants to lose or trade someone, it likely will be a situation where they'd be more eager and feel a bigger need to make it happen. hence we should exploit this. it's just some business acumen, you know.
huh? lol? now its not the team defense intangible because thats debunked, now its the inlet pass to Yao and ball movement? haha.. Shane and ball movement, first time I am hearing this - not that he is bad at it, but come on. Now you are just reaching. Don't get me started on his 3 point shooting in the playoffs. Why can't I expect a great defensive specialist to hold Kobe below his average?
I think TP needs a fresh start to reinvigorate his competitive spirit. He probably thinks the current Pistons situation is a sinking ship and his play reflects it. I was thinking Shane plus Cook's expiring contract for Prince. Pistons shed some salary and still get a good player in Shane. We get a better version of Shane.
Don't spin it, you just said you wouldn't trade Battier for Prince. That itself would be an exploitation of Pistons LMAO. You coverup is like saying, if Lakers want Kobe for TMac they are desperate, lets exploit them more.. that not business acumen, thats r****ded... You just lost your credibility in trade talks.
intangible is things like leadership, mental toughness etc., which shane has plenty. and you didn't provide any counter points to my point that shane is an integral part of our offense which makes him more than a defensive specialist. and, who have been expecting to be that specialist to limit kobe below his average?
I think this is insanity. Did you not see what our team accomplished without Yao or Tracy? Battier was the leader of this team. You don't think he had a little something to do with it? You can't measure everything he contributes. I hope he retires a Rocket. I'm also more than happy with Morey collecting guys like Battier, Scola and Chuck Hayes that "show me the numbers" types like you are too stupid to understand the value of.
Of course I expect us to win 50 games without Battier as long as either Yao or TMac was around. We already did that with a much weaker team in the past, didn't we?? I would only agree with you on one thing - Morey is not an idiot. Battier's trade value was never really high in the past but after this playoffs, it is. All of our role players have higher value now, so I expect him to listen for Battier trades. No doubt. He let Alston go who many, including myself, felt had great intangibles. So Battier is not untouchable.
i said i wouldn't do str8 up; but would consider it if detroit add some sweetener to the deal. how am i backtracking here? and nice comeback on the credibility issue, lol. but if you can't get the facts str8 and claim shane was responsible for our loss in the dallas series, it's hard to take your posts (at least that particular one) seriously.
