Ron Artest's game without the media/reputation bias

it's not about intimidation lmao.

can you actually look at his game without the psychobabble bull****

Ron is a good defender because he presents matchup problems. he's too big for swingmen to muscle easily and too fast for big men to outmaneuver. like all good defensive players he has good basketball IQ which is critical in anticipating where your opponent is going to go. Ron is extremely valuable because like Shane he doesn't need help defense. He is good enough to stay in front of his man without compromising the defense to penetration.

Ron has decent offensive threat but he is first and foremost a defensive presence. the offense is extra. Ron has a limited range of moves but is good at opening seams when presented in the defense... such as off weak side doubles. Ron is NOT a first option for ANY team. He works best in complement to Yao or Tmac. If presented too many opportunities, he will often take too many shots and heat checks. If he handles that ball too much he will sometimes act as a ball stopper. HIS STRENGTHS ARE NOT DISTRIBUTION OR 20+ PPG SCORING.

If you ask him to do what he does well he is among the best in the league. If you ask him to take on a role on the team beyond what he is good at obviously the results will vary (as will any player... ask Yao to handle the ball on offense... it's not a good idea)

Set Ron up to succeed as in the Portland series of games 1-3 he will be a key part of wins. He is a decent scorer and even a decent passer. But ask him to handle the ball or distribute as #1 option... Ron is not Tmac. He cant do that **** and he's never had that role EVER on any team he's been on.

 

I am almost positive the Rockets defensive efficiency ( points per possession) actually dropped this season with Artest added. There was an expectation that the Rockets might have the #1 D in the entire NBA with Artest added, but it didn't happen.

 

two S' two L's fool!

 

I would resign Ron if the price is reasonable -- that is around what is making now for 3 years. Anything more than that is paying too much.

 

His career playoff shooting % avg is 0.388. NOT including this last game. No more explanation needed.

I wouldnt sign him in the double digits.

 

Exactly, and I got blasted for bringing this up before the playoffs....I said that Ron would struggle in the playoffs just like he always does.....

Ron Artest is a tough guy, yes...but as a basketball player he is VASTLY overated by some on this board, and in his own mind.

Ron is not worth the MLE...I doubt many teams would even offer him that...you know why? BECAUSE HE IS NOT WORTH IT !!

If you find one that does, look at their roster, and pick some players and do a S&T for Ron.....

DD

 

It did happen. We were the #1 defensive after Tmac called quits and for the playoffs. How the heck do you think we won three games off of the Lakers. It wasn't because of our prolific offense.

 

I agree with a lot here but believe that he is quite a defender; he has extremely quick hands and defends with intensity. Had he made the All Defensive 1st team it would have been a matter of reputation, but he really belongs on the second team based on his defense this year.

Given that he is an elite defender and someone who can reliably make open 3 pointers, I think he should be brought back at the right price. MLE is too low, but 4yr/35M would be nice. With Yao in the game, it greatly limits the number of poor decisions Artest makes on offense. As Brooks develops, he will learn to keep the ball away from Ron when he is not making heady decisions on offense. If TMac ever returns, I think we have a team that can really limit Artest's detrimental plays on offense and give him a chance to excel as the player he is and play within his abilities, which are quite strong.

 

A guy who shoots 39% should not be taking the most shots of anyone on the team.

Ron Artest is not as good as he thinks he is...

DD

 

we need to re-sign artest, he brings attributes that no other player on this team has... balls. we need to be tough, we need to beat up on the top-tier perimeter players both with shane and ron, it would be stupid not to sign him.

 

He won't be shooting as much when Yao comes back and we get a replacement for Twacey.

 

I think a lot of people either overate him or underrate him. Has he declined defensively? Yes, because of his speed. He may no longer be able to guard quick two guards like Bryant but he can guard guys at his natural spot. I think he did a great job on Odom and sometimes on Ariza during these series. Other than that, hes the same erratic player player on offense that hes always been throughout his career. My hope was that when he was brought here, he would be the third wheel and take less shots. It didn't happen with McGrady here so with what he's going to want this summer, the Rockets are really going to have to make a decision and ask them selves, if Ron can play as a third option. I' am not so sure and I don't know if a third wheel like Ron is going to worth the money he'll be demanding. I trust Morey will make the right decision.

 

STROMILE SWIFT was given the MLE, and he didn't even got a trial run with the Rockets like Artest did.

 

how so? i asked the same question in another thread, too. could elaborate a little?

 

LOL - Ron is not controllable, give me an efficient scorer in Ron's spot and the Rockets will be better off.


Ron is not worth keeping, he is declining in skill and is NOT smart enough to be valuable much longer.

Guys who rely on athleticism or bullying etc...instead of smarts die out quickly as players.

Ron Artest peaked and is now on the decline....do not need.

DD

 

he is as good as he thinks, he just shot the ball like **** against the lakers. he plays both sides of the court just as good as any player in the league.

 

i completely disagree, if he asks for more than the market price, then let him go, but if he wants to stay here, then you've gotta keep him. he's one of the best versatile players in the league, he won the DOY just a few years back, he's not your to-go guy, but he's definitely a good asset , either to improve your team or as a trade piece.

 

He's overrated in the sense that he's not the star player some people make him out to be. He's a solid role player and nothing more. If we do resign him, I hope they dont give him a heavy contract that will hurt us for the next few years. If some other team wants to blow big bucks on him, let them and hopefully we can get a couple of quality free agents!

 

Thank you! How many players are there in the NBA who are All Defensive Second team AND score 15 ppg AND turn a notoriously "soft" team into one of the toughest teams in the league overnight? Not many.

 

do you think any other player on this squad would have gotten in kobe's face after being elbowed, and punked him? no. do you think any other player is feared by other players in the league other than ron? no.