Yeah, wasn't MJ deemed an Executive Genius for getting rid of the contract? And now Denver is ingenius for taking it on....
Gater...thanks for getting my back...Im usually not on here after like 4 or 5 eastern time so I missed the fracas. Nellie...you obviously missed the glaring point I was trying to make when I said to you "Why not? Denver was (stupid)." As a fan of the recipient(Dallas) of the good end of perhaps the most ludicrous trade the NBA has seen in years, you have a lot of balls saying that "Seattle couldnt be that stupid" as to do a Cato and #15 for rashard trade (pure speculation by Kayman's buddy mind you). Lets pretend for a second that this was a real consideration by Seattle...why cant they dump Rashard so they wont lose him for nothing(similar to the Lafrentz situation)...take on Rice who has a year left (somewhat similar to Howard's situation) and take the #15 (which maybe they could package with their own pick in an effort to move into the top 10?) To me, a deal like that makes just as much sense as the Denver-Dallas deal. The only major difference in the 2 deals is that you have an owner that carries around the luxury tax as pocket change and taking Wahad etc doesn't bother him.
Mmmnnn...I love you, NJRocket, in a platonic, heterosexual kind of way ...but Seattle's draft pick goes to Toronto this year. But it's just a hypothetical, I know. And you're right. Depends on how much a team will actually pay Rashard and what kinds of offers Seattle gets for him. And Seattle, like every other team, is hampered by the impending luxury tax. The one thing the Sonics need, like us, is size. So even a Cato + Morris = Rashard deal isn't ludicrous. Well, maybe it is. But anyway.
Can you feel the LOVE on this board?? Can ya feel it? HUH?? Can ya??? Excuse me while I run to take my medication
It's not that hard people. He has one year left and the contract expires. Tons of space is freed for whatever team has it.
Not if he's being annoying about it. I guarantee that if you had a privately run Mavericks board (and this website is privately run, it's not publicly run, Clutch pays for this out of his own pocket), and you had Rockets fans on your board ripping EVERY trade Mavericks fans thought up you would have the guy kicked off the board. This isn't the ESPN board where you can "trash talk" or constantly rip anything that moves.
I understand where you are coming from but maybe you should reserve your judgement of Kiki for the most "ludicrous" trade in recent NBA history until we see what he does with the cap space. After that, I would say you have a fair judgement of the deal. On the speculated Seattle deal, if they realy want to trade RL to somebody why would they settle for Cato and a #15? To try to compare the Denver/Dallas deal to this specualted affair is appleas and oranges. Dallas was a last resort trade because Denver couldn't get a deal done with any other team. For Seattle to do this deal, they would have to agree to the trade before the draft to get who they wanted at #15. Why would Seattle, if they realy want to dump Lewis, accept Cato/#15 before the draft when there are several teams in the league who could use Lewis and can probably offer a better deal than that after the draft? Look, I'm not some troll. I know basketball and I have been a fan for a long time. Even though my loyalties lie with a division rival, I can still talk some ball with the best of them. I would rather do that then defend my loyalties and have to continue to proove that I know something about this game. Yeah, I threw some wisea$$ comments out there but I have received my share as well. I'm not trying to play victim here, I just want to talk basketball and be respected, just like all of you. So consider the olive branch extended to the ones I have gotten off on the wrong foot with. I have heard this a great site to talk some ball on and that is want to do. That's all I got.
I'm getting a little tired of the hair-trigger you guys are using in response to a lot of Nellie's posts. It's been pretty obvious from the outset of his time with us that he is one of the more intelligent posters to visit the site in a while. I think he offers a rather important viewpoint (that of a non-Rockets fan) and his opinions are generally grounded in reason. Yes, some of his responses are wisecracks. You certainly never see any of that from the regulars on this site. I think he sincerely wants to talk basketball. If some of his opinions are a little flavored because he is a Mavs fan, so be it. He can't help the fact that no other team in the league has a site to equal this one. The fact of the matter is, some of the trades proposed on this site are outrageous. Impossible? No, certainly not. But none the less outrageous. If someone wants to point out how rediculous some of the trades sound, great! If they're right, then they have presented and intelligent viewpoint and/or forecast. If they were wrong, all the better when they have to eat their words. I simply don't see where he has been outrageously offensive. Certainly not to the level of nugzfan or even gettinbranded. Lay off. This is starting to feel like a witch hunt.
So that gives him the green light to take potshots at posters, players, the team and the BBS? This has NOTHING to do with Nellie talking about trades, it has to do with him attacking other posters and thinking he's right to the point where you can't objectively talk to him. If you don't believe me, read the post I made in this thread: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34933&pagenumber=2 Why should I talk with someone about basketball when his response to my post is to take a potshot at my signature, and a Rockets player and the team?
I question whether Nellie wants to legitimately talk basketball or just "challenge" everyone who will respond to his "holier than thou" opinions. For example: "You guys crack me up over here. Again, speaking as an objective outside of the Rockets fan camp, why would LA want to do this deal? Do you realy think they want to give you Kandi and Odom just because Sterling has a history of being cheap? If your hopes rest on that you might be disappointed." Later in the thread, he engages me and denies ever making a statement as to whether the Rockets can or can not trade for Kandi. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34717 Observe that within a week from now, the only posters who will respond to Nellie are those with fewer posts than his who also want to engage in his level of personal opinion driven "smack" basketball talk. The rest of us will have figured it out and tuned out. NJ Rocket save your breath.
Another fabrication GATER. I asked a question to see if somebody could give another reason as to why LA would do that deal. I wanted to know some motivation other than making the Rockets better. I made no statement saying what the Rockets can and can't trade for. Of course I will be viewed as being "hollier than thou" for setting the record straight.
You guys keep posting links to the same thread, and I agree, he sounds like a real prick in that thread at times. He's also just started posting here, and he has apologized. Everyone, I think, tries to push the envelope a little bit when they first start to post here, because they want to see what intelligent people think of their opinion. If they don't draw attention to themselves, they think, people won't respond. What he didn't realize, was that most intelligent opinions draw a response on this board, regardless of how long you've been around. As a result, he's gotten plenty of feedback on the tone of his opinion, but not so much on the actual opinion itself. I just think that, especially because he's realized that he went too far initially, he should be given the benefit of the doubt. He's just getting his legs, so to speak. Let's put hurt feelings and bruised egos aside, everyone , and talk some freaking basketball. Now I'm mad, you guys made me sound like a pansy.
Thanks Gascon. A lot of what you said is true regarding my motivations. It does take some time to figure out the personality of a site. Before I knew it, I was enemy #1. I don't know how many times I can say it, I just want to talk basketball. I'm sick of defending myself just as much as you are sick of taking offense. GATER, I think at this point you have such a dislike for me that you would say anything to make me look bad. But Gascon makes a good point in that I have apologized and I have even gone as far as saying that I know you know something about basketball. If I was equaly trying to dog on you every chance I got, I wouldn't say something like that. I can understand why you wouldn't like the flavor of my questions which was a great term used by Gascon to describe it. But once past that, I think you have to admit I got some decent things to say from another perspective usualy about basketball.
To my dear friend Nellie... 1. I think you meant "choose" instead of "chose" in both cases. 2. One day, my friend, you will come to learn that what you have just stated is true for life in general, so get used to it.
