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Why would so-called only fans propose a max for Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by real_egal, May 13, 2009.

  1. choujie

    choujie Member

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    I have no anger at all. Please don't keep assuming. I see things objectviely. I see nothing wrong with people rooting for Yao, I see nothing wrong with people think he is worth MAX, I see nothing wrong with people want to keep him in Houston, even if Yao is injured.
     
  2. tinman

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    why are we even debating this? I understand about debating if Yao can play against fronting defense but how much the Rockets are going to pay him?

    it's pointless.

    Hey Tracy got 20 million a year. Nobody said anything about that when we got him.

    unless you are Les Alexander, we don't really care if you think he should get paid Max or nothing at all.

    but if you are going to talk about salary and loyalty.

    Charles Barkley signed the minimum salary so the Rockets could sign Scottie Pippen to the Max.

    No Rocket has ever show that much loyalty to sacrifice his paycheck for the good of the team.

    ROFs will always remember you Chuck.
     
  3. BigBenito

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    I can't wait until T-Mac and Yao are gone.

    That way, we can have fight about Landry and Scola.
     
  4. NYRangers

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    Easy, if he gets less money then the Rox or any team (that signs him) for that matter will have more money to acquire better players. Pretty simple logic there.

    Look what Timmy did in SA. He took less money so that Gino and Parker could remain with the team during their champ runs. If a guy Like Duncan who is arguably xx times better than Yao can take a pay cut for the team so that the whole organization including himself could prolong their legacy why can't a Ming with 1 post season victory out of 7 years and who has broken his foot for multiple consecutive years do the same and far more for the Rox?
     
  5. real_egal

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    I was pointing out the logic fallacy of one post based on false assumption. I wasn't debating anything in that post. However, I did mention how Barley took a pay cut for Rockets to be able to sign Pippen in another thread. But we all know how the result turned out to be. Everything comes with risk and price. That's all I am always arguing about. You don't start over without a sure thing.

    That's why in my short tenure here, with 2000+ posts, I never started a single thread to trade any Rockets player, and I seldom support trading anyone in the heat of the moment. BTW, I still want TMac to come back healthy and strong. I really want to see what a healthy TMac and Yao, with solid role players, can do.
     
  6. tinman

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    you know what a healthy Tmac and Yao can do.. lose in the first round.

    What we need is a healthy Yao and transform Tmac's salary into a some good athletic tall players so we don't have a size disadvantage.

    A solid scorer and some decent sized backups for Yao is what we really need.
     
  7. ibm

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    that's not the point. you seem to take a position against yao getting a max and for him getting less money (for the good of the team, so you claim). that's fine. the thing is you have a preference, just like everyone else. so don't pretend to be you're so unbiased.

    and btw, when td took a small cut, he had already passed his peak and was not xx times better than yao. maybe mcgrady should volunteer for a pay cut in half (since he's literally useless) so we can have more room to enhance the team roster?
     
  8. tinman

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    they also paid him for winning all those championships for them.
     
  9. ibm

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    you're arguing just for the sake of arguing now, lol. you know it too well that a fully healthy yao and mcgrady, with the current roster, can do much more than losing in the first round.

    the rest of your post was actually decent. :D
     
  10. real_egal

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    You missed with solid role players, I mean Scola, Landry, Lowry, Artest kind of role players, not Bowen, Head, Bogans, John Lucas 3 kind.

    With current team, and healthy Yao and TMac, you know we are going to beat the hell out of Lakers.
     
  11. ibm

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    i don't know that's the way the nba operates. to me it's just a perception. unless you tell me the spurs also secretly handed back-pay and bonuses to avery, kerr, stephen jackson, etc.? or is drob is still on their payroll?
     
  12. tinman

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    no dude this is the truth. Addition by subtraction.

    Look at getting of a scorer like Iverson for Billups did for Denver.
    Look at the Cavs getting Mo Williams.

    Williams and Billups aren't big name players who sell shoes for Adidas and have a huge fan following based on some inflated numbers in Orlando and some dunks.
     
  13. tinman

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    Our role players would be worse with Tracy and Ron wouldn't be effective either.

    Tracy needs to jack up shots, when he does that, he takes away from Brooks, Scola, and even Ron's other abilities.

    Look at 1994. We didn't have any other all stars (well OT was an all star). But our role players were solid and balanced.

    The Laker series, forget Tracy, we needed Deke to back up a healthy Yao.
     
  14. Seth

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    I really admire the subjetiveness of some fans.
    How is not Duncan better than Yao?
    Multiple NBA first teams, Multiple all defensive teams, MVP of RS and Finals, Trophies.
    Not to say that he is not a hyped player that is payed for what his reveneu to the team.
    Duncan is and has been better than Yao, he accepted an extension of 10 less million dollars so that the core of the Spurs could last untill he retires.
    And is not that Duncan is having a less statical impact, granted, he was injuried twice in his 10 years in the league, but the you can say that if you are comparing him to Yao.
    Duncan took a paycut in his extension, he was eligible by the NBA agreement to receibe a 25 million dollars per year contract, still his extension pays him 18, 22 and 23 millions.
     
  15. ibm

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    so who you have in mind for the rockets? :cool: i am really curious to listen to a 99er on this one.
     
  16. ibm

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    from the time td took the cut up until now, he's not been better than yao. it's just my opinion, but i think it's a valid one.

    of course i wasn't saying td is no better than yao throughout the career overall.
     
  17. tinman

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    I don't have any particular targets, we'll see what happens in the off season, but come on dude,
    you can play virtual GM and not screw up 20 million bucks!
     
  18. tinman

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    would you swap Yao/Tmac for Duncan/Ginnobli ? Not this year or last, but the year JVG started.
     
  19. Seth

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    He took the pay cut in 2007, do you remember how the Spurs did that season?? Oh yeah, they won the championship.

    The season after that, WCF.

    This is the first season that Duncan doesn´t get deep in the PO since he took that paycut, not to say that he was carrying the burden of a Spurs team with no PArker and Ginobili at the age of 33 and witha bad knee.
    Not to say he was very good agaist Dallas, it just happens that the Spurs had a bunch of scrubs as role players, Houston has much better role players than thhe Spurs.
     
  20. samxxz

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    And you think Yao is stupid enough to go to those teams?
     

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