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Game 4 is why the Rockets did not invest in a backup C

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, May 11, 2009.

  1. tsunami

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    this thread sucks big time lol. Tonight Lakers were playing on the 2nd floor against Rockets. And idiots like durvasa are promoting no backup C sh!!t.
     
  2. YaoZow

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    I think a Backup Center is very important.

    Some 21 year old kid named Bynum dominated us tonight because our "Center" was 6'6.
     
  3. Gimmmethemike

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    Haha attacking and criticizing one another not cool.
     
  4. leebigez

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    Durvasa, what's wrong with elson? He played well everytime either camby,martin or nene was out. He also played for the championship spurs team. 7 ft er, good mobility, can hit the 15 fter. He signed with the bucks this summer for lle which is 1.2m.

    Jamal Magloire. Long and strong with a mean streak. Not a big time athlete, but a decent athlete. Has made a all star game recently. Also has a nasty streak and will give hard fouls. Signed with Miami for 1.2m this summer.

    Theo Ratliff. Shot blocker and still atheletic. Can hit the face up jumper. Has had injury issues but is still productive. Signed with philly for 1.2m.

    These are the kind of guys availible to the rox this summer that they didn't even attempt to go after. If the really wanted to be hard headed about it and they really wanted barry, I'm sure head probably couldve gotten you williams from nj nets. The francis deal should be consumated as soon as they signed barry also. Petro was also on the blk as soon as they got kristic. Its ok to be small and quick, but what's wrong with being big and quick?
     
  5. Shroopy2

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    That big tall Marcin Gortat guy's looking plenty okay in his backup role behind the best center in the world Dwight Howard. Lets see if the Magic give him to us for Brent Barry.
     
  6. Meepo

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    Year ,game 4 is why the Rockets did not invest in a backup C ,but game 5 is why the Rockets did need to invest a backup C :D
     
  7. Yung-T

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    100% true, we can“t play D without a true center.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Someone is going to offer that kid real money and a chance to start, why would he come to houston?
     
  9. VictorLHugo

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    We do need a backup C.
     
  10. real_egal

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    Although I wanted Morey to get a big backup 4/5 during the off season, and I wanted him to sign Deke, I still trust him very much. Because I want the same thing as he does - talent, youth, and reasonable price.

    Morey doesn't have a pre-defined agenda to go small or go big or which positions to aim. As soon as talent is available at reasonable price, he'll make a move or an offer. He doesn't care what to do with 2 all star centers, as soon as Amare seemed to be available, he tried to get him. He doesn't care whether PG position will be stacked, there was talk about Billups and Nash.

    We don't need to find players to fit the system but rather accumulate talents. If you have abundant players at certain positions, you can still flip them to trade for your needs. That's how Bull, Nuggest, Blazers got quality young talents together.
     
  11. durvasa

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    Nothing wrong at all with being big and quick. That's ideal. It's just harder to find quick, skilled players who are big than ones who are undersized. You may have to gamble a bit more, or you may have to pay a little more money.
     
  12. jump shooter

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    Durvasa, both scoring and athletic size should be priorities this offseason. I think Morey is a phenomanal GM with his moneyball metrics ect., but having a midget frontline outside of Yao has always left me scratching my head. A Turiaf or Anderson type of frontline player combined with the rockets great perimeter defense would be awsome to watch.
     
  13. durvasa

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    These type of responses were kind of predictable, and I guess I only have myself to blame for creating a thread like this when the likely outcome was a Lakers win in game 5 and 6 (which I even said earlier in the thread). I just wish people read the original post more carefuly, and made effort to understand what I was getting at:

    "I'm not saying this shouldn't be a priority going forward, but I think the way the Rockets played in game 4 is why the Rockets chose not to invest in a backup C in the offseason and instead elected to go with a ball-handling wing in Brent Barry. They feel, without Yao on the floor, their best bet is to go small and outquick, outsmart, and outhustle the opposing team. This was a recipe for success for them late last season. Dikembe Mutombo was meant to be a late-season insurance, and used for special matchups if the Rockets our struggling against the opposing team's size (or if Yao went down).

    I think its interesting that, despite facing teams with a decisive edge in length and athleticism around the basket these first two rounds, and not having Dikembe for most of it, the Rockets have held their own on the boards and in the paint. From time to time in the regular season, this was a real problem for them, but so far in the playoffs they've gotten away with it.

    So what do you guys think? Going forward, do we stick with the plan of going small when Yao isn't on floor? So, perhaps getting higher skilled (and, yes, I count Chuck Hayes's defensive acumen as skill) and higher energy players as a result, or is it worth it to sacrifice some of that for a larger backup C in the mold of, say, Jamal Magloire?

    Of course, ideally you go for both and acquire a stud like Chris Andersen, but I'm not sure if one of those guys will be available this offseason. We missed the boat on that."
     
  14. durvasa

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    Would you be dissappointed if he doesn't acquire athletic size in the front court this offseason, or do you think we're good enough to manage until midseason or after the trade deadline? I still think the Rockets need to be significantly improved as an offensive ball-club, and maybe that's what they should devote their resources towards this offseason.
     
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    Worst.thread.ever
     
  16. leebigez

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    I was disappointed last yr before yao went down when the rox didn't get pj brown or someone like that before yao went down. I created a thread talking about the 2 rookies and hayes being too small. This summer, I was talking about signing turiaf made more sense than retaining landry because turiaf can backup both center and pf. Everyone was saying he sux and got overpaid whereas I saw it as 2m for backup pf and 2m as a backup center. I also was b****ing when he picked dorsey ahead of jordan. Then the pursuit of barry vs those bigs also left me wondering what the hell was going on. I think Morey does a good job, it just seems like he reacts really, really slow. It always seems like he's late. Maybe its due to the super overanalyzing or what, but there is a reason why adelman only plays deke in a emergency situations. If adelman had a guy he felt comfortable with, u would see Yao play less.
     
  17. durvasa

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    I like Turiaf, but could we have gotten him without crossing the LT? Money is a limiting factor here. And I still think that improving the guard situation was a bigger priority last summer than the front-line, and maybe so this summer as well. The offense simply needs to improve. WIth T-Mac being a question-mark heading into next season, this might have to be an even bigger focus.

    And I know you're not so high on Landry, but I think the Rockets feel Landry can become a really, really good offensive player in time. That's my hunch. He didn't take the step forward this season that they probably hoped he would, however.
     
  18. bigjj

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    only one game! how come u give that **** based on only one game??
     
  19. leebigez

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    Durvasa, I like landry a lot. I probably like him more than scola, but they're redundant. Their skill set are exactly the same. Landry is younger and more athletic and scola is craftier. If u give turiaf the 4 yr deal 4 m per deal he got from gsw, u let landry walk and u don't bring deke back. Turiaf has landry's athleticism and dekes shot blocking. He can play 16 mins for scola and 1k mins for yao. So even when yao needs a breather, u will always have a shotblocker plus when he plays with yao and yao is pulled away from the goal, he can defend the rim. That's what I'm talking about.
     
  20. jump shooter

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    I would be dissappointed if Morey didn't aquire some athletic bigs by the trade deadline and going into the playoffs. I don't see it as a big money deal in aquiring a Fransico Elson and a Sean Williams who both can motor up the court in a speed lineups while Yao rests. But I do agree that the rockets need to devote their more valuable assets to getting some more offensive scoring. They should be able to get both this offseason.
     

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