OOOOPS!!!!! This has already been discussed and aelliott and heypartner have determined that when Lewis signs a contract with Seattle (even for the puposes of S&T) he becomes a BYC player!!!! If the contract is $9m, the Rockets must find another team to absorb $4.5m!!! I'm sorry I let this go this far without remembering. Lewis will become a BYC player.
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Why cause I challenge Rockets fans while not being a Rockets fan? I am not surprised that you would view that as "poor interaction" on this site.
Not that anyone will pay him $9,000,000 per year. Rashard Lewis can be signed and traded, and Seattle can take back 85-115% of that salary, for a period of...what? Two days after he signs the contract? (Although this never happens: you sign and trade a player, you don't sign.........and........trade a player.) So, let's say July 20th, Rashard signs his contract, and is traded that instant to the Rox, who send back, let's say, MoT and the Moochster (wishful thinking, complete hypothetical). That should be OK. Or what am I missing? Now, if Rashard signs and stays on, and Seattle wants to trade him later, that could create problems because he quickly becomes BYC, and then a third team or trade exception would be necessary to absorb the other half of his salary. Where's aelliott? Hey! Aelliott! Somebody 's'plain this up good!
Are these examples of how you "challenge" someone? Your first entry in this thread:" If Cato and a #15 is Seattle's price then Dallas should get involved. Maybe they can dump Bradley and the #55 to get Calvin Booth back. Seriously, Seattle can't be that stupid. Whether or not Seattle will do this is entirely speculative. You have "challenged" us to accept that you are alone in your omnipotence to decide what Seattle will or will not trade. Then you "challenged" NJR to tell you why Denver was stupid for trading Nick, Raef, etc for Howard. NJR's logical response: ..I dont care how much manuverability they have now...do you really think that free agents are going to flock to Denver to play along side Zendon Hamilton and James Posey? If it was cap room they were trying to clear, then they should have not made any trades and let Lafrentz walk. Thats what Dice is gonna do unless they S&T him. And if they do a S&T, they will have to take salary back anyway. A valid conclusion. A bit of opinion, but hard to refute that Denver really gained anything. In another thread, you justified this trade as a "fire sale". I would call it blind luck. How often can a $20m contract like Howards be moved? Your response to NJR? .Right. Whatever you say. Yup, that's real challenging. And then we get the "mind reader" post which was thoroughly backed up with logic. Instead of asking how I drew the conclusion, your approach was immediately confrontational. In the real world, when people find challenges like you, they generally take a laxative.
The Sonics want Keon Clark was my understanding. I don't think Toronto wants to part with him because Dream was not the Center they thought they were getting. As intriguing a talent Rashard is, the Raps already have Vince Carter and Mo Peterson playing at the 3 and 2. Unless they want to part with Carter because of the run they made without him (doubtful), the only logical choice is Peterson, but he's really a 2 guard and they already have Mason and Berry. I guess that leaves the door open for us and Denver. Maybe we can give them Cato and KT for Rashard and future draft picks. The reason this is beneficial for us is that we dump Cato and we open up the clog at the 4 so that EG can develope while we get Rashard, a hometown product, a SF, a good 3 pt shooter, and a rebounder. This is a lineup I would be excited about: Ming/journeyman/Stoudemire or Ely or Haslip Taylor/Griffin Lewis/Griffin/T-Mo Cat/Oscar Francis/Moochie/Tierre
<i>Not that anyone will pay him $9,000,000 per year. Rashard Lewis can be signed and traded, and Seattle can take back 85-115% of that salary, for a period of...what? Two days after he signs the contract? (Although this never happens: you sign and trade a player, you don't sign.........and........trade a player.) So, let's say July 20th, Rashard signs his contract, and is traded that instant to the Rox, who send back, let's say, MoT and the Moochster (wishful thinking, complete hypothetical). That should be OK. Or what am I missing? Now, if Rashard signs and stays on, and Seattle wants to trade him later, that could create problems because he quickly becomes BYC, and then a third team or trade exception would be necessary to absorb the other half of his salary.</i> The team that Lewis ends up with has nothing to do with his BYC status. Whether Seattle keeps or signs and trades Lewis, they first have to sign him to a contract. If after signing that contract Seattle is over the cap and Lewis got more than a 15% raise, then he's a BYC player. Since Seattle is over the cap, then if Lewis get's more than a 15% raise, he'll be a BYC player. So, unless Seattle can get pretty far under the cap prior to doing a SnT for Lewis, he'll be a BYC player and they'll need somebody to absorb that difference via cap space or a trade exception.
GATER -- Save your energy, man. Nellie's like the guy who shows up at the bleachers in Yankee Stadium wearing a Red Sox hat and wonders why nobody will let him watch the game in peace since he's minding his own business.
Maybe because you're grating on people's nerves, being abrasive, and looking down at Rockets fans and taking petty potshots at people who disagree with you, all while hiding behind the "You're only mad at me because I'm not a Rockets fan", and "I'm just being objective". Then you proceed to take shots at the site with comments like this: <b>Typical problem on this site. Most chose only chose to observe what they chose to.</b> You're SO much smarter then us, I guess we should bow to your greatness! Nobody is holding a gun to your head to come over here, and why should you come over here, you obviously know more then we do! Or at least you think you do. <b>I've been there and the fans aren't that knowledgable. Besides, I had heard that this site was open to all fans of the NBA. I guess I might have heard wrong huh?</b> Yes you are wrong, because if Clutch wanted to he could shut out the people he doesn't want to have over here, or all non-Rockets fans. But he doesn't, so you drop the "Free speech" argument right now. You can also drop the "You're only mad at me because I'm not a Rockets fan" because we've had good fans of other teams coming over here, from Golden State fans, to Bulls fans, to Pacers fans, to Magics fans, to Nuggets fans, to Lakers fans, to Sonics fans, etc., etc. They were here LONG before you came on the scene.
Better be careful Nellie, disrespect the BBS like that and you'll be out of here like Nugzfan in an Antonio Mcdyess trade thread.
I guess you can read Seattle's mind. Funny you make a wise@ss crack about someone reading the Rockets minds, then you turn around and then read Seattle's mind.
Keon Clark will not be a Raptor next season, despite the season he had with them. The Raptors roster is very screwed up. They have 11 people under contract and 7 of them are 4s and 5s + Alvin Williams, Vince Carter, MoPete, and Tracy Murray, who I think is pretty much done. They have zero debt at 1,2,3. Their first priority will be to sign Childs and Curry, draft Dickau maybe, and there will be no money left for Clark.
I admitted that was a wisea$$ crack. Would you agree to that deal if you were Seattle: #15 and Cato for Lewis S&T
Man, the last thing I want is Rashard Lewis with a max contract or anything near a max contract. Cuttino is twice the player he is. What is the MCE this year anyway? Somewhere near 5 mill? I think we should draft Ming, and tell RL that he can join us as a starter for a reasonable contract going from $5 to 7$ per year over 6 years. If Ming is anywhere close to the real deal and Steve is healthy, we will probably be serious title threats for years 2-6 of the deal. Lineup and projected salary: Steve/backup PG Cat/Steve Rashard/EG EG/MoT Ming/Cato/EG Projected salaries for first 3 years: 1. $10 2. $7 3. $8 4. $8 5. $9 Additional cap (Rice + Mooch) $13 Total: $55 Analysis: We need to get riddy of Rice. Projected salaries for last 3 years (Cato\Rice\MoT gone) 1. $13 2. $8 3. $8 4. $11 5. $13 Total: $53 + money for misc players Analysis: Under the salary cap by that time? Anyway, it's clear that with Steve, Eddie, and likely Ming needing to be maxed out in the future, giving a Rashard more than the MCE is not really an option. If he wants to play for that, he could play for some great Rockets teams though.
I felt like adding to my previous post due to the extreme fabrications by GATER: A valid conclusion No, it is not a valid conclusion because Denver would not have made space by letting LaFrentz walk like he suggested. If you had read further you would have seen that but instead you pick and chose what you want to write about. He said it was a stupid trade. I guess if you think to keep the same sucky Denver team in tact and continue to have salary cap problems while being a new GM in town with fans that are pissed because the former coach made a racial slur is the smarter thing to do, well I consider it a compliment you think I am stupid. . A bit of opinion, but hard to refute that Denver really gained anything I would say gaining salary cap space is something. They don't get much in a short term return which is the only way you and NJRocket CHOOSE to look at it. Truth is that the returns can pay off in the long run but we don't know that yet. Regardless, if they didn't clear the space they wouldn't even have the chance to rebuild and KiKi would continue to stuck with an overpriced, underacheiving team with pissed off players and fans for years. Dallas offered an alternative to that. In another thread, you justified this trade as a "fire sale". I would call it blind luck I "justified" it huh? That is a fabrication. I in fact said that it was a fire sale that was a one-time opportunity which you know is true. That would also in fact fall under lucky so I would call it the same thing you do. How often can a $20m contract like Howards be moved? Twice in two years apparently. Whoever ends up with that contract in it's last year will clear tons of space so it has value now. You disappoint me GATER. I know you know basketball because I have read your posts and a fan of your calibur should be able to see these things. In actuality, I think you do but you won't admit it.
Let me get this straight, a chance to gid rid of a lazy, cap space dead weight player(Cato) and to get a SF would go by the wayside becuz you're worried about the center position? Hell, we still could keep Kevin Willis and have Ming! This is a chance to get rid of Cato and you wouldn't do it? Come on?! Are ya kiddin' me?!
I believe it was because every trade offer that was ever proposed or thought up and posted, not always even the Nuggets, Nugzfan went on to bash [insert trade proposer here] no matter how realistic the trade was.
