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Cheney infers waterboarding and torture not consistent with American Values.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by FranchiseBlade, May 9, 2009.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Here's the transcript. Cheney admits that he doesn't believe it's true that we could have gotten information using ways that are consistent with American values.

    This is directly from the transcript from the N. Dakota conservative radio host.

    http://www.scotthennen.com/dick_cheney_interview_transcript.aspx
     
    #1 FranchiseBlade, May 9, 2009
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    Talk about a stretch
     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Cheney said he didn't believe it was possible to get the information in ways that are consistent with American values.

    Why?
     
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    Based on the quote you provided, I think it's pretty darn obvious he was responding to "could have gotten the information in other ways."

    That's one of the old tricks that people pull. Attach two separate ideas together in one statement and then use the person's response as an affirmation of something he wasn't intending to affirm.
     
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  6. Bogey

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    So basically he said he was doing what he thought was necessary to save American lives. I don't really have a problem with this.
     
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  7. FranchiseBlade

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    IT wasn't a trick that an interviewer pulled. The interviewer is a conservative talk show host in N. Dakota.

    The question he asked was a quotation from Obama's answer, not some trick question devised to trick Dick.

    Sorry, but it doesn't make sense to say that it was an old trick.
     
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    What he also basically said is that he did it in a way not consistent with American values.
     
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    Why he did it doesn't change the fact that he broke the law. If a person robs a bank and kills a security guard in the process because they needed to feed their family and pay for medical bills for a dying grandmother, that doesn't make it OK.

    Just because someone has a reason for doing something doesn't change the fact that it's against the law.
     
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    Has any other vice president received this much air time after they left office? Even Agnew? Just go away, Dick. Your time is done.
     
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    I disagree. Deadeye needs to stay front and center and remain the public voice of the Limbaugh party. Oh! And his daughter too! The first family of Torture!
     
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    This is a question without clear cut right or wrong answers in my opion. On one hand if you could use torture to stop a nuclear attack, I am not sure how many people would not use it. On the other hand where would you stop once you head down the road of torture? Very tough choices.
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    IT is next to impossible that a situation would ever arise where the one suspect who could stop a nuclear attack would be in custody, and that by using torture we would be sure to get accurate information in order to stop it.

    People talk about that kind of hypothetical all the time. But it's pure fantasy and not reality at all.

    Most importantly. You don't pass laws that go into place now based on a hypothetical that might or might not happen at some unknown point in the future. That's not the way it works, or hasn't worked that way until Cheney and Bush were in office.
     
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    Why the Jack Bauer defense is a lie
     
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    There's some geeky guy who flies around the world guilting people into installing curly-q light bulbs. I think he was vice president, but I can't confirm. The administration he is alleged to be apart of kept him away from microphones and cameras as best they could.
     
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  16. MadMax

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    dick cheney is evil incarnate, but this is too easy:

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    #16 MadMax, May 13, 2009
  17. B-Bob

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    Yeah, it's funny... I don't even think of All Bore as a former VP, but you guys are totally right. He didn't exactly retire quietly, did he? Sheesh.

    I could deal with both of those guys going away -- deal?
     
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    brother, that's a total win/win for me! i feel like i'm getting away with something making that deal.
     
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    Can we get rid of both of them? ;)
     
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  20. basso

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    someone needs to learn the difference between "infer" and "imply."

    /grammar lesson
     
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