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Game 4 is why the Rockets did not invest in a backup C

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, May 11, 2009.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    I'm not saying this shouldn't be a priority going forward, but I think the way the Rockets played in game 4 is why the Rockets chose not to invest in a backup C in the offseason and instead elected to go with a ball-handling wing in Brent Barry. They feel, without Yao on the floor, their best bet is to go small and outquick, outsmart, and outhustle the opposing team. This was a recipe for success for them late last season. Dikembe Mutombo was meant to be a late-season insurance, and used for special matchups if the Rockets our struggling against the opposing team's size (or if Yao went down).

    I think its interesting that, despite facing teams with a decisive edge in length and athleticism around the basket these first two rounds, and not having Dikembe for most of it, the Rockets have held their own on the boards and in the paint. From time to time in the regular season, this was a real problem for them, but so far in the playoffs they've gotten away with it.

    So what do you guys think? Going forward, do we stick with the plan of going small when Yao isn't on floor? So, perhaps getting higher skilled (and, yes, I count Chuck Hayes's defensive acumen as skill) and higher energy players as a result, or is it worth it to sacrifice some of that for a larger backup C in the mold of, say, Jamal Magloire?

    Of course, ideally you go for both and acquire a stud like Chris Andersen, but I'm not sure if one of those guys will be available this offseason. We missed the boat on that.
     
  2. clutch citizen

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    Backup Center is still important. We don't necessarily need someone in Yao's mold, but we do need height. Height with SOME skill.
     
  3. WeMissDekeMan

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    We should get a backup center. I honestly would like to try out Dorsey and see what he's all about.

    If we cannot try him for some weird reason, I would try to get after a guy like Marcin Gortat. He's a very good player if you ask me, solid backup behind Dwight Howard currently. Hayes is just too much of a liability offensively if you ask me.
     
  4. realrockyboy

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    yeah, I'm sure that's the reason they sign Deke
     
  5. roslolian

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    I believe this is really the plan. I think one thing DM and RA believe in is that they don't really put a premium on big, tall stiffs for the sake of having a traditional big dude manning the middle. I remember DM saying somewhere that they don't really look at height in evaluating a player, and not having Yao Ming in the middle really opens up the offence for everyone, especially Artest who can finally start using his post-up skillz. If Artest can keep his head in the game I think we're gonna give the Lakers a pretty good fight the next few games in the series.


    Kinda' off topic but to be honest I think RA and Yao Ming don't really mesh well, and we'd probably be better off trading him and signing someone like Chris Bosh instead. With a frontcourt of Scola, Bosh, Artest, Brooks and say Joe Johnson we'd have a roster that really fits RA's system. Of course that will never happen lol...
     
  6. Electro

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    Nice thread.

    I'd still be a little more comfortable getting someone at least 7 feet....6 ten would be stretching it..
    maybe cuz i'm used to having tall centers for a Rockets team, i don't know.

    height is a good thing in basketball because the rim chills at ten feet.
    10 ft. for how long??? nobody knooowws.
     
  7. fhoopchina

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    I would like to see Yao leave Houston since the fans here are not that crazy about him. To say that is an understatement. The fans are somewhat treacherous. They don't give Yao enough respect. So It is time for Yao to move on and leave houston because Yao has done more than enough for Houston (without a legit backup center, without due respect from either the fans or the management).
     
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    Gortat would be great, but I don't think he would be interested in being a backup in this league. I'm sure he can find good money/minutes elsewhere.
     
  9. Tom Bombadillo

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    Chuck needs more minutes next year regardless. We could use a long athletic backup center though.Tracy for a perimeter star and a solid backup center is what needs to happen in the offseason...

    These trades fit the bill........Tracy for....

    *Baron Davis+Marcus Camby

    *Michael Redd+Dan Gadzuric

    *Gerald Wallace+Desagna Diop+Alex Ajinca

    *Ronny Turiaf+Corey Maggete+Stephen Jackson

    *Jason Richardson+Leandro Barbosa+Robin Lopez

    *Vince Carter+Josh Boone+Keyon Dooling

    I am sooo excited for the offseason. DM has assets this time around...
    I really believe our roster will be off the charts deep, and I believe Tracy will be gone...
     
  10. choujie

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    I don't think that's the main reason.

    I think why they didn't invest in backup center is there was not a good but affordable one available on the market.

    Leslie Alexander is a business man first. He isn't going to go over luxury threadhold to sign a backup center. And any good backup center is going to make quite some money.

    It took the team quite a while to get Deke playing. I highly doubt Les Alexander will go over the tax limit unless the team becomes so good that it can get his money back in playoffs.
     
  11. jump shooter

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    I think they definetly need athletic size for the rockets to reach the next level, ie. a Turiaf or an Anderson type would help the rockets match up with anybody.
     
  12. baller4life315

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    This whole go smaller/quicker approach is paying some dividends in the short term and it's nice having that option, but let's not kid ourselves here: size never hurts in the game of basketball.

    Hopefully, Morey will be able to find us a project 7-footer type in the draft or free agency that won't cost much. Given the propensity in the NBA to vastly overpay for rather unskilled tall players, that's all the more reason why finding a guy in the draft or an underlooked free agent makes all the more sense.

    Another option we have is trying to sell Miami on a McGrady for Jermaine O'Neal swap. They have identical contracts that expire at the same time. JO is a player that I don't like personally but he's still relatively young (age 30), a decent scorer, good post defender and a great shot blocker. He's flaky, injury prone and half-asses it out there but if this "go small" trend sticks JO is the type of player we wouldn't need to rely on anyways. Any form of consistency he could give us would just be an added bonus.
     
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    Durvasa, you're better than this. There is no good reason for Hayes to be Yao's backup. I remember when Yao missed a game earlier and adelman made the comment about it would be nice to have someone bigger than 6'6 as a starter. Adelman has never had a small backup. I mean,funderburke was 6'10. Those old blazers squad had cooper on the bench. If you told adelman he would have to start hayes in a playoff game against La, he wouldve thought that was crazy.

    Last summer, there was some quality backups. Elson has played on a championship team, magloire made the all star game within the last 5 yrs, anderson has always been a high energy shotblocker/rebounder. All those guys signed for less than Barry who was no where near what they needed. That has been proved, just like you're 1 game theory of why they didn't need him. Barry at best is a situational player which is what he has been the last 2 yrs or so in Sa. You sign situational guys later in the summer to fill your roster out, not at the beginning when you don't have anyone behind your all star center. I'm proud of the way chuck stepped up and hope he continues, but hayes as we've seen in recent playoffs is a situational guy also. He's not a regular rotation guy. That's not a knock on him, its just the truth.
     
  14. v3.0

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    I would seriously inquire after the playoffs on signing the Birdman. I know everybody says that ship has sailed, but never hurts to inquire.

    Countdown to a certain member to come in here to post a bunch of I told you so and then start posting random players to prove his point.

    Edit: I spoke too soon...
     
  15. michecon

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    yeah, and the reason that Yao Ming was playing heavy minutes in the playoffs. A game doesn't make a formula. Get real.
     
  16. desi tmac91

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    Well there were reports that Morey is interested in signing Ioannis Bourousis (well talented Euroleague center) over the summer. I believe there was a topic earlier reporting Morey was oversees scouting Ioannis and Sergio Lull.
     
  17. lastreg

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    totally wrong logic. when you are killed by opponent center, which can happen anytime soon, you will say we should invest for a backup center
     
  18. durvasa

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    I'm not looking to make the argument in favor of what the Rockets did. I'm just trying to explain why they went the direction they did. Do you have another theory?

    And I don't consider Chuck Hayes to be the backup C heading into this season. The backup is a combination of Scola, Landry, and Hayes. It's by committee. I believe the Rockets felt that, collectively, that group would be more effective than another 7-footer like Elson or Magloire. Now Andersen has turned out to be a terrific player for the Nuggets, and like I said in the original post we missed that one. I'm not convinced Elson or Magloire would have been big upgrade. Yeah, we gave up some size, but I rather like the energy and the combination of offensive skill of Scolandry and defensive work from Chuck Hayes we had.

    You say we should have brought in a backup C instead of Barry. That's easier to say after the fact, considering how well Wafer turned out for us. If Wafer didn't become the player he did, and the Rockets could not have expected that he would, Brent Barry would have had a much bigger role on this team.
     
  19. durvasa

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    The very first words of my post were: "I'm not saying this shouldn't be a priority going forward." I'm merely presenting the opposing view, and opening up discussion on what should be the priority. I think the manner in which the Rockets won game 4, and in which they played last season without Yao, is why they did not put a high priority of size for the backup position. They like how the team plays when coach decides to go small.
     
  20. abc2007

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    The fans are becoming crazy these days! :D
     

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